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It appears you have no rebuttal to the assertions I've made in this thread.

The only clear-cut facts in this case are Zimmerman shot and killed Martin, and that there may be charges against him for doing so.

Or, could it be, that I am doing exactly what I told you I would do. Not getting into a discussion on this topic with you because I do not believe you have any interest in a rational, no ************, discussion. You can take that any way you want to. I really don't care.
 
What are y'all even arguing about now?

We are laughing at the idea that ChitwonLundergaard wants a "logical and calm" discussion.

Also I commented on how I would like to see the facts as seen by the investigators.
 
That you know of.

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Whoa, that sounds serious. We really pissed God off something awful.

I don't know why, but God specifically picked Florida in 1995... not Louisiana, NYC, Louisiana again, Midwest flooding and tornadoes, or virtually everywhere except Florida, but He did and that's all you need to know. Now please send a check in the amount of $19.95 to cover S&H on your free survival2112 kit including top notch hard bone supplement starter marketing kit and water purification tablets. TIA Tamarrah.
 
I think it's fairly obvious now it was self defense. Though it still could have been prevented.




Associated Press

SANFORD, Fla. (AP) - A routine bail hearing for George Zimmerman took a surprising turn into remorse and explanation Friday when the neighborhood watch volunteer got on the witness stand and told Trayvon Martin's parents: "I am sorry for the loss of your son."

"I did not know how old he was. I thought he was a little bit younger than I am. I did not know if he was armed or not," Zimmerman said, marking the first time he has spoken publicly about the Feb. 26 shooting of the unarmed black 17-year-old.

The hearing wrapped up with a judge ruling Zimmerman can be released from jail on $150,000 bail while he awaits trial on second-degree murder charges. Zimmerman, who has been in jail for more than a week, could be out within days and may be allowed to live outside Florida for his own safety once arrangements are made to monitor him electronically.

Defendants often testify about their financial assets at bail hearings, but it is highly unusual for them to address the charges, and rarer still to apologize.

An attorney for Martin's parents, who were in the courtroom when Zimmerman spoke, spurned the apology. The parents, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, had no comment as they left.

"This was the most disingenuous and unfair thing I've seen," said attorney Natalie Jackson. "This was the most unmeaningful apology."

In a measure of how volatile the case has become, Zimmerman appeared to be wearing a bulletproof vest under his suit and tie, and his parents and wife testified via telephone because of fears for their safety.

After the hearing, Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, acknowledged that putting Zimmerman on the stand was risky but said his client wanted to respond after Martin's mother said in an interview that she would like to hear from him.

"He had always wanted to acknowledge what happened that day," O'Mara said. "I was hoping that it could be accomplished in a private way. We weren't afforded that opportunity."

Stacey Honowitz, a Florida prosecutor with no connection to the case, said: "I think it was to sway public opinion. He's not incriminating himself. He is setting up his self-defense claim."

In agreeing to let Zimmerman out on bail, Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester said he cannot have any guns and must observe a 7 p.m.-to-6 a.m. curfew. Zimmerman also surrendered his passport.

Zimmerman will need to put up 10 percent, or $15,000, to make bail. O'Mara said he expects the family to come up with the amount. Zimmerman's father has indicated he may take out a second mortgage.

Zimmerman worked at a mortgage risk-management company at the time of the shooting and his wife is in nursing school. A website was set up to collect donations for Zimmerman's defense fund. It is unclear how much it has raised.

Bail is not unheard of in second-degree murder cases, and legal experts had predicted it would be granted for Zimmerman because of his ties to the community, because he turned himself in after he was charged last week, and because he has never been convicted of a serious crime.

Prosecutors had asked for $1 million bail, citing two previous scrapes Zimmerman had with the law, neither of which resulted in charges. In 2005, he had to take anger management courses after he was accused of attacking an undercover officer who was trying to arrest Zimmerman's friend. In another incident, a girlfriend accused him of attacking her.

The hearing provided a few glimpses of the strengths _ and weaknesses _ in the case being built by prosecutors.

Dale Gilbreath, an investigator for the prosecution, testified that he does not know whether Martin or Zimmerman threw the first punch and that there is no evidence to disprove Zimmerman's contention he was walking back to his vehicle when confronted by Martin.

But Gilbreath also said Zimmerman's claim that Martin was slamming his head against the sidewalk just before he shot the teenager was "not consistent with the evidence we found." He gave no details.

In taking the stand, Zimmerman opened himself up to questions from a prosecutor, who grilled him on whether he made an apology to police on the night of the shooting, and why he waited so long to express remorse to Martin's parents.

Zimmerman said he told police he felt sorry for the parents. He also said he didn't say anything to them sooner because his former attorneys told him not to.

As part of the bail hearing, Zimmerman's family testified that he wouldn't flee if released and would be no threat to the community.

"He is absolutely not a violent person," said his wife, Shellie Zimmerman.

Zimmerman's father, Robert Zimmerman, said that even when confronted, his son was likely to "turn the other cheek." The father also described his son's injuries the morning after Martin was shot, saying he had a cut and swollen lip, a protective cover over his nose and gashes on the back of his head.

Zimmerman's mother, Gladys, said her son worked with two black children as part of a mentoring program that required him to venture into a dangerous neighborhood. "He said, `Mom, if I don't go, they don't have nobody,'" she recalled.

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Anderson reported from Miami.

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Look what ABC News has come up with...

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Definitely the most evidence I've seen as to him getting injured, though bleeding from the head can produce a lot of blood from minimal cuts in instances.

That being said unless the prosecution has more evidence then they are letting on I don't think he can be convicted for anything. As of now there isn't much evidence either way and the only one who can tell his side of the story is the guy who is alive. What still bugs me the most though is that if this guy would have just minded his own business none of this would have happened. I live in a townhouse complex and see people walking in the greenbelt area behind the houses all the time. I've never considered calling the cops ever from someone just walking, and we've had all sorts of break ins here. It's much too common of a thing to get worked up about, and his excuse that he was walking slowly in the rain just doesn't cut it to me. Heck, I enjoy walking in the rain every now and then. It's calming, though in Martin's case it appears he was just walking back to the place he was staying at. That being said I really have no clue what happened. Maybe his story is true. Maybe he followed the guy, was walking back to the truck, and the guy decided to punch him after asking him if he had a problem and then saying "you do now" and beat him senselessly and said he was going to kill him once he saw Zimmerman was packing. It's possible, though it still doesn't sound that likely to me and seems more like something from a bad action movie.
 
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Zimmerman can sleep well knowing he will not be convicted. I think everyone can agree that he made a series of stupid *** decisions that lead up to the shooting, and was most likely very much at fault. But there is no way he is getting convicted of murder 2.
 
If he had time to pull out the weapon, he could have pointed and told him to freeze. I don't think that ever happened.
How someone who is being attacked, and so overpowered suddenly can grab a weapon and kill doesn't sound believable.

Also, it should be a crime to disobey orders from 911. If you are told to back off, and you go forward you ARE responsible. There is no ifs, ands, or buts. Zimmerman was NOT correct, and a life was lost. He needs to pay for that. The only argument is how much.
 
If he had time to pull out the weapon, he could have pointed and told him to freeze. I don't think that ever happened.
How someone who is being attacked, and so overpowered suddenly can grab a weapon and kill doesn't sound believable.

Also, it should be a crime to disobey orders from 911. If you are told to back off, and you go forward you ARE responsible. There is no ifs, ands, or buts. Zimmerman was NOT correct, and a life was lost. He needs to pay for that. The only argument is how much.

Disagreed.
 
If he had time to pull out the weapon, he could have pointed and told him to freeze. I don't think that ever happened.
How someone who is being attacked, and so overpowered suddenly can grab a weapon and kill doesn't sound believable.

Also, it should be a crime to disobey orders from 911. If you are told to back off, and you go forward you ARE responsible. There is no ifs, ands, or buts. Zimmerman was NOT correct, and a life was lost. He needs to pay for that. The only argument is how much.

First off he wasn't ordered to do anything, second off 911 operators are usually middle aged women with little training other than keeping people calm until the police arrive. Their "orders" are hardly orders.

The exact quote was "You don't need to do that" Which is not an order, a good idea, but not an order. She didn't sound to sure of herself either.

911 operators aren't police, they answer the phone, thats it.
 
First off he wasn't ordered to do anything, second off 911 operators are usually middle aged women with little training other than keeping people calm until the police arrive. Their "orders" are hardly orders.

The exact quote was "You don't need to do that" Which is not an order, a good idea, but not an order. She didn't sound to sure of herself either.

911 operators aren't police, they answer the phone, thats it.

Look at you with all your "rational, well thought out response" -- just who do you think you are with that bull ****?!
 
How someone who is being attacked, and so overpowered suddenly can grab a weapon and kill doesn't sound believable.

It might surprise you what you can do if you get jumped, punched in the face and find someone on top of you banging your head against the ground. I don't find it at all unbelievable.
 
It's a win-win for me at this point. Either Zimmerman gets sentenced to jail time, then is subsequently handled by the inmates and some closure can be provided as the super-hero neighborhood watchman who shoots and kills unarmed kids finally gets his medicine by being beaten senseless by a group of dudes and lady boys. Or he's let off, and riots ensue and legally innocent Zimmerman supporters (no such thing as a morally innocent Zimmerman supporter) are beaten mercilessly by freedom fighters - all while I'm laughing from behind my lap top and cheering on the destruction of the Christian Conservative sect of this country.
 
It might surprise you what you can do if you get jumped, punched in the face and find someone on top of you banging your head against the ground. I don't find it at all unbelievable.

Agreed.

It is totally believable that a grown man who can be manhandled like that by a 17 year old is a big enough coward to own a gun and actually use it on a kid. It makes total sense (no sarcasm). Zimmerman is the poster boy for the "American Patriot" that George W Bush spawned.
 
Agreed.

It is totally believable that a grown man who can be manhandled like that by a 17 year old is a big enough coward to own a gun and actually use it on a kid. It makes total sense (no sarcasm). Zimmerman is the poster boy for the "American Patriot" that George W Bush spawned.

Only cowards own guns. I don't own a gun, so I must be a bad ***.
 
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