Utah Jazz Newsfeed
Active Member
It was a rather successful season for the #Utah Jazz, which was unfortunately followed by a miserable offseason. Utah went into the offseason fully ...
Full Story...
Full Story...
BlastingNews - Utah Jazz NBA off-season grade
- Thread starter Utah Jazz Newsfeed
- Start date
Getting Traded
Banned
What a POS article.
Chargers Jazz Angels
Well-Known Member
i love articles like this because when the Jazz are underestimated they seem to play better
David Stern
Well-Known Member
I think the biggest thing that has surprised me this offseason is how overrated Hayward has become... people are now acting like he's some franchise-altering talent, after years of underrating him. We obviously know he's a great player, but he's not elite. He's probably in the Top-30 players in the league right now. I mean he had to basically have a PERFECT system built around him as the go to guy to make his first all-star game, albeit in his 7th season. That's not the guy who changes the fate of a franchise.
Engorged On Unborn Gore
Well-Known Member
This is pretty accurate. But I'm not concerned with replacing last year's identity. I'm much more concerned with finding out what the Jazz' new identity will be.
416Klawzz
Well-Known Member
The Jazz Wonderbra
Well-Known Member
The article didn't say anything about injuries (a major factor in last year's results) and it reduced Ricky Rubio to a liability and Donavan Mitchell was an after thought. Frankly, I think we are all going to see our offense go from one of the most ISO dominant teams in the league to a top 8 passing team and Rubio doesn't have to score to facilitate the offense better than 40 game overpaid Hill and Shelvin Mack/Neto. If we seriously are a top 3 defensive team with an increase in deflections that bring our pace up... add in health and a assists and I think this article will look narrow minded in 8 months.
If we aren't healthy, Donovan plays like a shell of the SL performances we saw, Rubio can't shoot so much that he can't open up any passes, and we average 80 points... then so be it. But I really can't see a Rubio run offense be lower than a top 15 team in the league. The Twolves offense outperformed their roster and they whined about Rubio's inability to stretch the floor. They didn't know how good they had it. Teague doesn't run an offense. Teague scores. Rubio ran an offense. I would say last year the Jazz spent long periods of games NOT running an offense. I am excited to see that change.
If we aren't healthy, Donovan plays like a shell of the SL performances we saw, Rubio can't shoot so much that he can't open up any passes, and we average 80 points... then so be it. But I really can't see a Rubio run offense be lower than a top 15 team in the league. The Twolves offense outperformed their roster and they whined about Rubio's inability to stretch the floor. They didn't know how good they had it. Teague doesn't run an offense. Teague scores. Rubio ran an offense. I would say last year the Jazz spent long periods of games NOT running an offense. I am excited to see that change.
Getting Traded
Banned
Considering what the Jazz had to deal with, two players leaving them by their own design, I think the Jazz (DL) made an incredible rebound. They signed four solid players, one who could be a borderline All-Star as PG. Plus they got the steal of the draft -- as voted on by the rookies themselves! Can't do much better than that when you consider what DL had to work with.
♪alt13
Well-Known Member
DL losing Hayward for nothing is a failure on his part. Can we please just acknowledge that it is his job to avoid what happened. If the GM is helpless then why have one?
I don't think you understand that not everything happens that you want to happen. A GM can only do so much, but when a player wants a change of scenery (and to not be the MAN anymore), what else can you do?
elan_prodigy
Well-Known Member
Hayward has always had one foot out the door. With DL saying (and genuinely believing) things like "With every fiber of our collective being and soul of the Utah Jazz we want him back". What more can you ask for? And don't start with his RFA deal... He simply wasn't worth it then.
Rubio is a divisive player. Not everyone is going to think adding him is a great move.
♪alt13
Well-Known Member
As a fan not a damn thing.
It is DL's job to anticipate the intention of his players(players that he has much better access to than you or I) and act accordingly. DL got nothing out of Hayward. He miscalculated his ability to retain him. It is his job not to let that happen. You can forgive DL's failure but for ****s sake admit that he failed.
The Jazz made the 2nd round of the playoffs and won over 50 games for the first time in... idk. It's not so simple as trade the All-Star player to get something in return, especially when he fails to make his intentions clear to anyone. Furthermore, Hayward left because he didn't want to be a Jazzman - so it's good he left no matter what.
Even 1/2 the Jazz fans thought Hayward was gonna leave the Jazz.It wasn't surprising.He signed with Charlotte during RFA because the Jazz left him to see if he could get a better deal and he did,forcing Jazz to match.
Now I think Exum for sure and likely Hood will test RFA next summer.Two other players ,Favors and Burks are healthy this summer and playing for a paycheck.Next summer could be bigger exit than Hayward was this summer.
Somehow Jazz are creating a team where the players don't want to grow with them.
I don't think you get how RFA works.
Burks leaving wouldn't make the team worse.
♪alt13
Well-Known Member
Good lord how delusional can you get? It is not a good thing to lose an All-Star! It isn't! I'm certain that DL doesn't think that. I'm certain that after GH left DL didn't sit down and add it to his resume.
Accomplishments
I was General Manager of the Utah Jazz the year All star forward Gordon Hayward decided to sign with another organization.
The Jazz Wonderbra
Well-Known Member
Accomplishments? If I were Dennis, my resume would most definitely include some of the following:
I took over as GM for the Jazz, moved on from Corbin in a classy way... promptly hired Quin Snyder (a player development coach) and Johnny Bryant who together took Gordon Hayward from a young man to an All Star in 3 years. Hayward wasn't nearly the player then as he is now. Simultaneously, our organization drafted Rudy Gobert, dumped Kantcer, we lead the organization from Utard to a compelling destination for free agents like Joe Johnson, we won 25 more games last than then the year I took over as GM, and all while having two of the most disastrous years in the history of the franchise wrt games lost by the top 7 players on the team. We made the playoffs and advanced to the second round just 3 years removed from a 25 win season all while changing the culture of the team and helping create a unique identity.
Finally, as GM, I managed to trade up into one of the arguably deepest drafts in the last 10 years (mind you a draft that teams have been jockeying for a chance to move into for the last 3 years) and I did it by moving Trey Lyles and the 24th pick. We grabbed the steal of the draft who Quin will develop into more than Hayward could have been for the team.
So, alt. It sucks to lose Hayward. We are all pissed about it. But I wouldn't throw blame at a guy who has run circles around Scott Layden, KOC, and frankly every other GM the Jazz have ever had. DL could have dumped Hayward like Boston just did to Thomas, but the Karma police will get Ainge. Ainge will reap his rewards. DL's trust will also be rewarded. The real loss was when Hayward didn't just say 'I am leaning Boston'. He signaled he was leaning for the Jazz when he wasn't. Now that he is there, he will get what he wanted. NO THOMAS, NO CROWDER, NO BRADLEY, NO OLYNYK, NO DEFENSIVE IDENTITY, 4 RETURNING PLAYERS, A SHOOT FIRST POINT GUARD, AND A GM WHO WILL TRADE HIM IN HIS LAST SEASON. The problem isn't DL, it was Hayward wasn't honest with himself long enough to say where his heart was and it sucked for us. We have the framework at the helm to recover. We will.