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Bojan vs Hayward

Watcher said:
I don't think Hayward will be coming off the bench. They've been talking him up a lot lately.

https://sports.yahoo.com/safe-hop-gordon-hayward-hype-221125918.html
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I do think this is the type of thing that happens in training camp. The guy who is the best in practice scrimmage report is right behind player X "has lost/gained 15lbs and is in the best shape of his life" report. This would be the year he would bounceback as the injury he had seemed like a 2 year recovery.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Bojan is several steps below as a defender, athlete, finisher, and playmaker.

Bojan is a much better shooter (maybe a better iso player?), but that's about it. Maybe he can step up the playmaking and defense up in Utah, but it will likely never be as good as Hayward.
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You are vastly overrating Hayward. Bojan has a pretty strong drive game. Hayward might have been better then in an offence 100 percent tailored to him, but he wasn't several layers better.
 
Lots of really bad Hayward takes. Cy is the only one I agree with.

Hayward was really good. I’ve always been a bit sad that we didn’t get to see Donovan and Hayward on the floor together. But I think Bojan fills most of the hole Hayward left at the position (but I’m not sure cause I’ve never really seen Bojan play.)

The summer of 2017 I felt like Hayward was a max player but was one of the worst max players. I’m very happy the Jazz are paying Bojan $17 million vs Hayward as a max. I’m like 60/40 that Hayward will be a better player than Bojan this year, but that’s cause I’m a Jazz homer. I bet it should be more like 75/25.


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framer said:
"Featured" Bojan averaged one less point, rebound, and assist per game than "featured" Hayward, with much better shooting. Haywards defense was better, but I would like to see what Bojan can do with a Gobert safety blanket.

If you want to call that several steps better, go for it, I guess.
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You forgot to mention that Haywood was given, like, three years to grow into that featured role. Whereas Bojan put up those numbers basically overnight.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Morris is your new Niko...

They start Kemba, Tatum, Brown, and likely Kanter (bwah ha ha ha ha) the fifth starter is either Gordon as a 4 or Smart as kinda a 2. That lineup likely needs Smart's defense. Having a prime defender like Marcus come off the bench seems like a waste (since most guys you want a stopper on are starters).

So do they bench Tatum or Brown? Brown is a free agent, is going through contract negotiations right now on an extension. Tatum is extension eligible. They have both been in trade rumors forever... and Danny couldn't nab a star. So they likely get re-signed... but what if they are benched for the golden boy?

I think Gordon is likely the odd man out but could also see Smart or Brown coming off the bench, but it might cause more disfunction. One of the reasons players were not happy was all the efforts that went into getting Hayward going. I think there is like a 40% chance he's a starter.
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I think Brown is basically on his way out tbh.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Bojan is several steps below as a defender, athlete, finisher, and playmaker.

Bojan is a much better shooter (maybe a better iso player?), but that's about it. Maybe he can step up the playmaking and defense up in Utah, but it will likely never be as good as Hayward.
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lmao
 
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Hayward was a much better passer and defender and if you can’t see that then hate blinds you to simple reality. Bojan is a dead-eye shooter with a ton of guile, and for those reasons is a better off-ball player, possibly just a better scorer in general.

**** Hayward, but also **** that simpleton way of looking at ****.

I don’t know who’s better in the wash but this is also a pointless exercise.
 
framer said:
"Featured" Bojan averaged one less point, rebound, and assist per game than "featured" Hayward, with much better shooting. Haywards defense was better, but I would like to see what Bojan can do with a Gobert safety blanket.

If you want to call that several steps better, go for it, I guess.
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Baby steps. Like a dozen baby steps. You know, like dog years.
 
framer said:
"Featured" Bojan averaged one less point, rebound, and assist per game than "featured" Hayward, with much better shooting. Haywards defense was better, but I would like to see what Bojan can do with a Gobert safety blanket.

If you want to call that several steps better, go for it, I guess.
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Uhh, what? Are you only counting part of his season lmao?

Plus playoffs Hayward averaged 25-5-3.5 and Bojan just didnt play well despite being "featured" (which is the silliest **** people say to discount Haywards season)
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Uhh, what? Are you only counting part of his season lmao?

Plus playoffs Hayward averaged 25-5-3.5 and Bojan just didnt play well despite being "featured" (which is the silliest **** people say to discount Haywards season)
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If Hayward were on the Jazz right now instead of Bojan, would he be "featured" like he was in his last Jazz season? He certainly would be paid as such.

And yes, being the #1 option on an offense is germaine to comparing offensive statistics.

Overall, last Jazz season Hayward is better than last year's Bojan. It is possible that Bojan has a better season this year, because current Hayward is NOT appreciably better than Bojan. Once you factor in salary, the comparison becomes laughable.
 
People are strongly underestimating Bojan. Even during the off-season I was a bit shocked that he didn't get more press around here. Now I'm not saying he didn't get any, but I think of the new additions and already star studded C and SG he was put on the back burner a bit. He adds a huge element to this team and is plenty capable of doing equally, if not more than what Hayward did. People act like he can't defend but he was often tasked with guarding the best man on the court.
 
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