That does not imply that at all, actually. It's quite possible Pelinka did call Nets later in the day to say he chose another offer, which was better. I am not getting what's wrong with that? Nets made an offer. Booz said he will get back, and chose different offer. Whether Pelinka called them at the end of the day to say they decided to accept another offer we don't know. But if he did, what is the problem here? Why should he give Nets opportunity to match? We do know though he called the Jazz and gave the Jazz opportunity to match, which is quite noble of him, since he did spend 6 years here. But as far as Nets are concerned, just calling back before end of the day and informing they chose a different offer (which was better) sounds pretty reasonable to me.
Boozer double-crosses Nets. What else is new, eh?
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That does not imply that at all, actually. It's quite possible Pelinka did call Nets later in the day to say he chose another offer, which was better. I am not getting what's wrong with that? Nets made an offer. Booz said he will get back, and chose different offer. Whether Pelinka called them at the end of the day to say they decided to accept another offer we don't know. But if he did, what is the problem here? Why should he give Nets opportunity to match? We do know though he called the Jazz and gave the Jazz opportunity to match, which is quite noble of him, since he did spend 6 years here. But as far as Nets are concerned, just calling back before end of the day and informing they chose a different offer (which was better) sounds pretty reasonable to me.
Looks like 2 teams were willing to offer Booz 80 mil. Are they both wrong, or did the Jazz (who got a chance to match and keep Booz according to Siler) make a mistake here? Tough call.
Hopper
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Boozer's agent coulda said: "I'll get back to you sometime this year." He coulda said, "No, we're lookin for a better offer, and won't take that." Thorn, Pelinka, and everybuddy else knew that IF Boozer signed a contract with another team, it would hit the newswires instantly. No one would have to wait for a call from the player's agent to know if that happened, whether promised at noon, 3 PM, or any other time. Hence the implication that Boozer was gunna continue to consider offers throughout the day. Boozer merely used the Nets offer as leverage to get more from Chicago.
But, as has been noted, Boozer is probably usin the Bulls' offer to demand more from NJ, as we speak, so it remains to be determined who actually gets double-crossed, I spoze.
But, as has been noted, Boozer is probably usin the Bulls' offer to demand more from NJ, as we speak, so it remains to be determined who actually gets double-crossed, I spoze.
Suppose you went for an interview to 2 places, and you had a preference for one of them. One of the places gave you 75K, and you were still waiting for the other offer from the place of preference. Wouldn't you thank them and tell them you will get back to them and think that you want to hear the offer from the place of your preference first? And when the place you refer gives you 80K (and sure you could have mentioned to them you already had an offer in place), wouldn't you accept that offer and then at some point later call the first place saying you decided to accept a different offer? This just seems like common sense.
Hopper
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2 teams in NBA (out of about 4 who had a CAP room) seem to think he is. Perhaps it is not as simple as you think. 20 and 10 guys are really not that easy to find. And with Deron being FA in only a couple of years we do need to have some talent around him or he will just do what Bosh did and go some place that has the talent. As of right now, Deron does not have a proven borderline star player next to him. And I am not sure he will in 2 years. The decision to let Booz go certainly wasn't an easy one - at least in my estimation.
KhaOZ
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If I accepted the offer at the place I wanted to be, and it instantly hit major news and the entire nation of my career field instantly knew that I was going to take the offer from the company I preferred, I don't think I'd have a need to call the other company. It would be like rubbing it in at that point. They already know, so why call them?
For all we know, with how impatient Chicago was becoming with the Lebron deal, maybe they said "Here's the offer Carlos, take it or leave it, but decide now". I mean, it's unlikely they said that, but who knows? Maybe they instantly said yes and it instantly hit the news with no chance to tell the Nets.
Anyway, who really cares? That's business.
Hopper
Banned
Boozer made this decision for the Jazz, last year. He said he would opt out, so the Jazz matched on the Paperboy. Then, when the offers weren't lookin good, he double-crossed them and opted to renew. Now they have the Paperboy under contract, whether they want Boozer, or not. The Jazz need help at center more than they need two relatively high-salaried, starting quality players at the same position (3 if ya wanna count AK).
Sure enough you like to call it that. I just don't see anything remotely unethical at all that Booz did this time. Seems like perfectly normal interview process with several companies interesting, you listening to them, getting several offers, and choosing one of them. You can call a gray suit blue, but it won't make it so, will it?
billyshelby
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The whole crazy part of all this is it's probably STILL dependent on Lebron to a point. It could be the Bulls used the possibility of Lebron to lure Boozer at a lesser price (as long as Lebron showed up.) It could be they told him if they got Lebron they would still do everything in their power to work an S&T with Utah so he'd get his 10% raises and 6th year. It could be they told him if Lebron DIDN'T come they'd take care of him. They definitely wanted the same selling point NY had to offer with Stoudemire. And that's something that should cost money. They probably made contingency offers with Booze for every scenario that, coupled with the selling point of Chicago, made the decision pretty easy for him. My point is I'll be stunned if Booze doesn't wind up with some type of kicker in all this, and it could be more lucrative than imagined.
Hopper
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Boozer wanted to make sure they waited until the end of the day, and not sign Lee, or somebuddy else. He had no intention of waiting until the end of the day, if he got a better offer--he just wanted them to wait, and therefore wanted them to think he would wait, too. Had they in fact lost the chance to get an alternative player as a result, it wouldn't have fazed Boozer in the least, I figure. They were merely tools to him.
They matched Paperboy AFTER they knew Booz opted in. A while after. Jazz were the ones who dropped the ball on Booz last year. Miller didn't even negotiate on extension, when Boozer's value was at all time low, we were the only ones who could make an offer, and we offered added benefit of giving him a contract while he was still under old contract, hence reducing the risk (in case he got injured in that year he opted in). We could have had Booz for a bargain. Instead jazz focused on Okur. That sure worked out well.
It's actually pretty reasonable to listen to an offer and get back at the end of the same day. And it would be pretty dumb of Booz to sit and wait till the end of the day without finding out what other options are. The bottom line is Nets only had to wait for 2 hours to hear their answer. That's pretty good. James got MAX offers last week, and is yet to let anyone know what he decided.
Hopper
Banned
Hindsight is great, eh? Boozer's value was at an all-time low for a reason--he only played in 37 games that year (after only playing in 33 a couple of years earlier). Will you be sayin how stupid the Bulls were, if and when Boozer goes down for the count, I wonder?
This is not hindsight. I was saying the same thing last year over and over again - that we need to get Booz for a bargain. I was pretty upset with Greg Miller for saying Booz was not in longer in plans instead of trying to secure him for a bargain. Okur's injury is freak occurrence, but I was saying a year ago we had to focus on Booz. Okur is not a difference maker, like Booz is, but a role player. His signing was not a priority over getting a bargain deal from Boozer when his value was at all time low.
Hopper
Banned
$13 million for 82 games is about $160,000 per game. When a player misses 45 games you just "threw away" over $7 million at that rate. In effect you have paid about $350,000 per game, which would amount to about $29 million a year if projected over an 82 game schedule. Businessmen always have to consider risks, even if risks, by their very nature, may not actually happen.
Chad Feldheimer
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insurance kicks in at some point too.
Hopper
Banned
Even when it finally does, I don't think it lowers your cap. But either way, you don't have a replacement player on your roster at them prices.
Boozer only averaged about 15 points/game after his injury "healed" and he came back for the final 25 games or so that year. Is this the guy you wanna be sure and lock up, for a long term at a high price, when you have a guy like the Paperboy already bein paid and waitin in line? The Jazz didn't think so. I can see why, too.