Boozer leaving = how many losses?

[Hopper]

07-08: Boozer plays in 81 games, Jazz win 54
08-09: Boozer plays in 37 games; Jazz win 48

In 08-09, in games where Boozer played more than 22 minutes, the team's record was 18-15 (.545), by my count, which would mean they were 30-19 (.612) in the other games. In 07-08, the team won the only game he didn't play in, so they were 53-28 (.654) with him.

Overall: 71-43 (.623) with him, 31-19 (.620) without him.

.623 = 51 wins a year
.620 = 51 wins a year

 

[Lost_Jazz_Fan]

yes, i still think the jazz can retain booz.

as for your second question, the i don't know what the exact win total will be, but i can pretty much guarantee you they won't make the playoffs if the scenario presented in the poll (lose boozer to free agency, don't add anything else) comes true.



ok that's just ridiculous. no utah big man played more passively in that series than millsap. absolutely drove me nuts.

Sap was not nearly as careless as Carlos in that series. And was able to score quite frequently by just simply outworking the LA bigs. Boozer on the other hand either turned it over or got blocked most of the time.

 

[candrew]

Jazz go 44-38 if Boozer walks with nothing significant coming back in return.

And that's if the team stays relatively healthy.

I don't want to hear about what happened over 2+ years ago - look at how The Jazz played in November and December last year. That's pretty much how The Jazz will play all year next season without a consistent low post presence. D-Will will try to take games into his own hands down the stretch and the rest of the team will stand around while he tries to do everything.

 

[Hopper]

...look at how The Jazz played in November and December last year. That's pretty much how The Jazz will play all year next season without a consistent low post presence.

Are you suggesting that Boozer didn't play in November and December last year? What's the connection here?

Boozer played every single game in November and December. He missed 4 games later in the year, during which span the team went 3-1.

 

[candrew]

Boozer started out horribly last year, had flashes of great play the end of November and then played so-so the month of December. In other words he was not a consistent low post presence - and The Jazz were slightly better than a .500 team.

I think that's where Utah ends up without him.

 

[Hopper]

Boozer started out horribly last year... In other words he was not a consistent low post presence - and The Jazz were slightly better than a .500 team.

I think that's where Utah ends up without him.

Hmm, well, I find your logic a little hard to follow. You're saying Boozer was NOT a consistent low post presence so we NEED Boozer? Suppose the Paperboy had played in Boozer's place in all those games where Boozer played like dogcrap? Then what?

 

[Hopper]

I just don't see the evidence that the Jazz are a significantly better team with Boozer on the floor. Granted that when he's not sittin on the bench in his $2,000 suit he is capable (sometimes) of great, player-of-the-month-worthy performances. When he's in, he's the major focal point of the whole team, I get that. But how about when he's out? Do the Jazz crumble, fall apart, and find themselves incapable of winning as many games? History says "no."

 

[TheStormofWar]

If Okur (and I mean this as a big IF) Okur is healthy, then 48 to 50 w's. Losing Boozer does hurt, but it isn't like the Jazz will be exactly devoid of talent at the 4 between Manslap, AK (contract year), and Okur all capable of manning it. Worst case scenario, they finish outside the playoffs and blow the thing up.

 

[Jazzfannut83]

The Jazz lose far too many games to horrible teams with and w/o Booz and they've repeated that pattern for 3 yrs now. So, with Booz probably about 53 wins +/- a few, without him, about 47 +/- a few.

 

[theNBAnerd]

boozer worked HARD in that series. millsap looked either scared or disinterested most of the time, and i'm not even sure which is worse.

seriously, it's revisionist history to say millsap played well.

 

[gregbroncs]

boozer worked HARD in that series. millsap looked either scared or disinterested most of the time, and i'm not even sure which is worse.

seriously, it's revisionist history to say millsap played well.

Worked hard? Seriously? Boozer was a pile of **** against the Lakers, again. What else is new.

I don't think Millsap is the answer but we know that Boozer is not. He has had his shot with this roster it's 2 years past time to move on.

 

[mellow]

Lose Boozer and lose 7 more games next year.
Sign Boozer for 6 years 15 Million, win 7 more games next year and lose the franchise.

 

[Twin Towers]

We will be the same as last year in terms of wins.

The Suns are a lot worse now. Lucky to be in playoffs.

Thunder are better now but not much.

Portland is going to be about the same. Trust me Roy and Miller cannot coexist

Spurs will be worse.

Houston will be a little better but who knows if Yao can make it through a season.

etc etc etc.

West won't be as improved as they were last year.

Millsap will upgrade us on defense. And on offense it is a roll of the dice. It depends on if Deron tries to dominate the ball if Millsap is struggling. Hopefully the ball rotates more and we get better ball movement. That is what I think will happen.

If we get Gortat in a sign and trade. Than we will be better than last year.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

New Orleans should be better. The Clips should be better. And the Warriors really can't be worse. Okay, well probably not. I would guess we go about 46-36, get the 8 seed and get swept by the Lakers. Honestly, it happens every year and is our destiny.

 

[Jazz4ever]

boozer worked HARD in that series. millsap looked either scared or disinterested most of the time, and i'm not even sure which is worse.

seriously, it's revisionist history to say millsap played well.

That's nice he worked hard, I do everyday as well. But at the end of the day he could not effectively score on the LA bigs and choked at the free throw line.

 

[theNBAnerd]

sap couldn't score on their bigs either. the problem with a self-fulfilling perception is that there's no way to change it. boozer played well against the lakers but was overmatched size-wise and got jobbed by the zebras. millsap played horribly AND was overmatched size-wise and got jobbed by the zebras. anybody who disagrees is more than welcome to order a pizza and download all 4 games from google video and i'll come over for a film session and show you precisely what i'm takling about.

 

[roseparkjazzfan]

i ay they lose 13-18 more games next year with out him

 

[Stickler]

boozer worked HARD in that series. millsap looked either scared or disinterested most of the time, and i'm not even sure which is worse.

seriously, it's revisionist history to say millsap played well.

::blink:: ...what the...

anybody who disagrees is more than welcome to order a pizza and download all 4 games from google video and i'll come over for a film session and show you precisely what i'm takling about.

I disagree. What's your address? (Instead of creating an imaginary scenario of what we would have to do to find out what you're talking about, how about you just elaborate?)

 

[vj_74]

No championship, Boozer or not. With him on the team, for 4 years in the playoffs, we never even managed to get homecourt in the first round. Forget the losses without Booz, what matters here is how much $$ the Jazz would be able to cut in losses if he leaves. That's all matters to Miller boy. They might as well let him go.

 

[Jazzfannut83]

Nerd, I don't disagree that Booz worked hard in that series and he wasn't as bad as many remember or think. However, I do disagree that Millsap didn't. In fact I remember several occasions where he worked his behind off, sometimes to no avail, but several times he even managed to make some tough shots inside contorting his body to get shots up against their bigs. Admittedly i'm not looking at the box scores but i don't remember Sap having as poor an effort/output as you said.