I remember watching him at the old RMR and thinking "this guy is the worst player I've ever seen at this league". He must've been just having a bad game or something.
Boris Diaw Traded To Jazz (news, not just proposed trade)
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I remember watching him at the old RMR and thinking "this guy is the worst player I've ever seen at this league". He must've been just having a bad game or something.
Coach Ellis
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This right here. ^^^
Plus the financial flexibility to chase a free agent next year if they choose to. Plus, Bird rights on Hayward and Hill.
Last year's starters
Neto/Mack, Hood, Hayward, Favors and Gobert
Next year's starters
Hill (or Exum), Hood, Hayward, Favors and Gobert
Last year's bench
Burke, Neto, Burks (injured), C. Johnson, Jingles, Booker, Lyles (developing) and Withey.
Next year's bench
Exum (or Hill), Mack, Neto, Burks (hopefully healthy), J. Johnson, Jingles, Diaw, Lyles (a year older, stronger and more experienced) and Withey.
Hill, Diaw, Mack and Withey are all in contract years. DL has made a significant improvement in terms of veteran presence, bench scoring and (hopefully) basketball IQ across the board. Hill, Johnson and Diaw are all smart and savvy players. Great quality for a young and developing team.
If nothing else, the upgrades over Trey Burke (George Hill), Chris Johnson (Joe Johnson) and Trevor Booker (Boris Diaw) will help fix a lot of problems.
Damn we gave up Hanlan's rights? I'm not complaining or anything, but he actually looked like a competent player last night. Spurs must have liked him a bit. Spurs could actually use Hanlan.
On the other hand, Diaw himself has just one goal: How can I keep this money train on the tracks for as many more seasons as possible?
It's interesting that the Jazz have done that. Was it accidental or by design?
Exum -> has Ingles as friend
Gobert -> has Diaw as friend
going farther...
Hayward -> has Hill as friend (I think I read that they were friends, right?)
maybe next step is to sign someone that's good friends with Favors.
Rudy isnt taking less money because Diaw is with him. We got him because we have cap room and he is a far better player than Joel Bolomboy.
homeytennis
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Diaw has played the last 6 years for Pop. Also given Hill's time with Pop perhaps things will get done the Spurs way.
I think only Ingles was brought in because of the ties to Exum. Everyone else was just basketball reasons.
Have you seen how expensive twinkies are?
Stocker
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What were the main issues with last year's team?
1. Depth
2. Shooting
3. Experience
The Jazz addressed these EXTREMELY well the last week or so.
1. Depth will not be an issue this year. This might be the deepest Jazz team ever.
Gobert/Diaw/Withey
Favors/Lyles
Hayward/Johnson/Ingles
Hood/Burks/Mack
Hill/Exum/Neto
Adding Hill, Johnson, and Diaw plus getting back Exum and Burks will be huge for depth. If everyone is healthy, 3 main guys from last years team will not see the floor (Mack, Neto, and Ingles). Even Withey played big minutes at times. Those guys are now our 3rd stringers and, if everything goes well, will not see the floor this season.
2. Shooting
Hill - career 38% 3pt shooter
Johnson - Career 34% 3pt shooter
Diaw - career 34% 3pt shooter
All 3 guys are threats from deep.
3. Experience
The Jazz are no longer the youngest/least experienced team in the NBA. Last years roster had played in a combined 42 playoff games.
Diaw - 108
Johnson - 101
Hill - 75
These guys have tons of playoff experience that will help this young core.
Good work Dennis Lindsay! Take the rest of the summer off.
1. Depth
2. Shooting
3. Experience
The Jazz addressed these EXTREMELY well the last week or so.
1. Depth will not be an issue this year. This might be the deepest Jazz team ever.
Gobert/Diaw/Withey
Favors/Lyles
Hayward/Johnson/Ingles
Hood/Burks/Mack
Hill/Exum/Neto
Adding Hill, Johnson, and Diaw plus getting back Exum and Burks will be huge for depth. If everyone is healthy, 3 main guys from last years team will not see the floor (Mack, Neto, and Ingles). Even Withey played big minutes at times. Those guys are now our 3rd stringers and, if everything goes well, will not see the floor this season.
2. Shooting
Hill - career 38% 3pt shooter
Johnson - Career 34% 3pt shooter
Diaw - career 34% 3pt shooter
All 3 guys are threats from deep.
3. Experience
The Jazz are no longer the youngest/least experienced team in the NBA. Last years roster had played in a combined 42 playoff games.
Diaw - 108
Johnson - 101
Hill - 75
These guys have tons of playoff experience that will help this young core.
Good work Dennis Lindsay! Take the rest of the summer off.
mellow
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Coach Ellis
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Yep. This in a nutshell. Getting to the salary floor by adding a veteran player who won't jack up future financial flexibility. Adds depth, without a huge commitment. Fits well with what the Jazz do. Considering how Jingles has done for Quin, I expect Diaw to play just fine for Utah. Cheaper than Trevor Booker. Jazz saved $3.5 million if they keep him both years, but can trade or dump him next year for no cost.
Also provides a reasonable asset (non-guaranteed salary) if they need to match salary for a trade at the deadline. Jazz have assets to use AND the ability to go up to about $20 million in matching salary with only sending out Diaw and Johnson if something good comes available.
Not the biggest Diaw fan but certainly won't complain about the move. A definite upgrade over Withey or Booker as our 4th big.
All in all, a solid few weeks for DL and the rest of our front office. Hill, Johnson and Diaw should really help fill out the problem areas in our rotation.
All in all, a solid few weeks for DL and the rest of our front office. Hill, Johnson and Diaw should really help fill out the problem areas in our rotation.
I'm not doing handstands over this move. Diaw is a guy who was unmotivated by Gregg Popovich and was unmotivated by being on a great team. He was constantly out of shape and was repeatedly benched. What kind of influence is that for a young team? I am also not a fan of the fit. The Diaw trade means that we've likely seen the end of either Withey or Pleiss in a Jazz uniform, and whichever one stays won't be in the rotation. That leaves Rudy as the only true center on the roster again and we witnessed how bad the team struggled when Rudy got hurt last year and we were stuck with undersized players at the 4 and 5 for the bulk of the game.
The plus side is that we didn't give up much in this deal, but an unmotivated player who's constantly overweight doesn't excite me.
The plus side is that we didn't give up much in this deal, but an unmotivated player who's constantly overweight doesn't excite me.
This is a good point. We have two 1st rounders next season. if we draft a Diaw replacement we can easily move him - especially as a trade sweetner in a larger deal. If not, we have some depth - we got Diaw for almost nothing - for a PG who likely would never play regular season minutes for us. Also with the way Diaw plays he's going to hit a lot of guys cutting to the hoop. Our 2nd unit is so much better this season. That's what DL needed to address and he did....