It is TBS. Was there ever anything to talk about?
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It is TBS. Was there ever anything to talk about?
MVP
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Yet you try to blame atheism for Stalin's, Hitler's and other dictator's killings. According to your logic ( or lack of it ) they would have killed less if they were devout muslims/christians or pagans. You are stupid, sorry, end of discussion.
The Black Swordsman
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Please provide evidence that if Osama Bin Laden had been an other religion he would be less violent. Keep in mind one of the largest terrorist organizations in the middle east has an atheist in charge (the PKK). Provide proof that Islam motivated Laden rather then be used as a scapegoat to provide validation.
In regards to Hitler not only was it his personal secretory Martin Bormann himself but all of close advisers and personal letters state this. It is all in a book which is the largest collection of Hitlers personal letters and conversations called "Hitlers Table Talk." You can find it here https://archive.org/stream/HitlersTableTalk/HitlersTableTalk_djvu.txt. Just do a control find and type religion and you can see countless areas he is hostile towards religion.
Siromar is just upset I utterly dismantle his arguments every time he shows his face and he knows it. He get's more productive discussions with chatbots because they don't derail him of his morale like I do due to my superior intelligence.
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Given that terrorism is just about Islam's only contribution in a long time, who gives a **** whether Bin Laden was motivated by Islam or not? Is there a single country where Muslims take over and then decide not to butcher innocent civilians so that they can impose the hilarious laws of their tribal moon god?
You should just move to the Islamic world and spend your time killing little girls for going to school. That'd be a far better fit than living in a decent culture created by decent people.
The Black Swordsman
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Funny you say that, the largest Islam country is Indonesia, can you name what Muslim armies conquered there and butchered innocent civilians? How bought the Ottoman empire, they emigrated from the Asian steppes and converted to Islam with their free will after conquering the Arabs not the other way around as you suggest. The Qur'an never mentions the moon as god, another assertion by you with no evidence.
Indonesia where Muslims blow up tourist spots for being indecent, and threaten female politician with death. Yes, that's perfect. You really should move there.
And I don't care about the conduct of Muslim armies 1000 years ago. Nobody does, except for Muslims. But then again, if my latest accomplishment was not butchering civilians indiscriminately a millennium ago, I would grab onto it with all of my might as well.
The Black Swordsman
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You are making the elementary mistake that correlation equates to causation. Dealing with the paradox of the plenty right after imperialism isn't as easy as you make it out to be.
Yes, I'm making the mistake of correlating terrorism by Muslims with Islam. Good one. And what Imperialism? Are you saying that because parts of the Muslims world were occupied for a few years within their millennium of ****, they're blowing up tourists and conducting a world-wide campaign of terror? Ya, tell that to the Indians who must live in fear because the plague happened to infect 20% of their population, putting the other 80% in serious danger. Or to the Saudis who treat their women worse than non-savages treat their pets, despite not having been occupied by anyone ever.
But hey, at least you're trying to find justifications. Many Muslims consider sending children to blow up a synagogue a holy endeavor of the noblest kind.
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The Black Swordsman
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Ya lets only use the Muslim world that just went through a century of imperialism and have resource curse to judge Islam. I am a rational man so I cannot agree with you. Also you never gave a defense of why causation equals correlation. You do blatant cherrypicking when choosing who the judge islam by.
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What is funny is that you said this. Then engaged TBS in discussion. Haha, what are youthinking?
Do you even know what you're talking about? Or do you just copy what you read on your Muslim radicals forums without any understanding?
When Muslims carry out an act of terror, then release a video bragging about it, and quoting justifications from Quran, while Islamic banners hang behind them, no statistical investigations are needed. How can something so simple be so incomprehensible to you? Do you just spout that statement about causation because you think it makes you sound smart?
And what about imperialism and resource discovery? According to your logic, if you're occupied for a bit, you turn into a terrorist for a century. You find oil in your country, it's terrorism time. Your *** itches? Perhaps you should give terrorism a try. What kind of nonsense is that? And yes I am judging your religion by what it has done this century. I'm concerned about the real world and it's people, not some romanticized fantasy of the short-lived glory of an ancient empire.
Since I'm not sure that's true, why would I argue for that position? I don't know enough to separate out the effects of religion, other aspects of Middle-Eastern culture, family issues, personal demons, etc. to make such a claim. I'm not sure anyone does.
Hostility toward clerics is not the same as hostility towards religion, or being an atheist. For example, the wiki article does not mention atheism at all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler's_Table_Talk
By the way, here's a quote from your link:
The Black Swordsman
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You're cherry picking the black sheep of the Muslim community and marketing them as exemplary Muslims. I can tell you are an avid fan of fox news. After you have been defeated in debate you resort to making remarks like *** itching, personal insults, and straw man.
The Black Swordsman
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A janitor gets more productive discussion when talking with dust bunnies and than with intellectuals.
Holy ****. You're becoming more idiotic by the second. Is your brain leaking into your nasty unkempt beard? The black sheep who are almost entirely Muslim, and who have been terrorizing the entire world for a long time with no end in sight. Who gives a flying **** about your personal feelings on Islam? Fact is, modern Islam has strong tendency to create terrorists. Even when it doesn't, it ensures every society it touches turns to ****. I don't want this society to contract the disease, and thus I consider it the greatest threat to modern civilization.
Now you haven't responded to a single thing I said, while I responded to the simple-mindedness that you continue to parrot. If you have nothing to contribute to the debate, and I suspect you don't since I'm asking you to think and not to murder innocents, I will take my leave.
The Black Swordsman
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All you said were personal insults and ad hominem, how else you want me to respond to it? You judge 1.4 billion people on the actions of less than .01% of the population. I already linked you a harvard paper showing that Muslims have less violence than Christians. You link no sources, all opinion based rant that was probably ripped straight out of fox news.
How about proving how Muslim societies are flourishing and thriving?
As for that .01% That is a very weighted percent when they are often the leaders...