Boston Marathon explosions......

[TroutBum]

** Warning ** OneBrow style post ahead. Proceed with caution.

We've had this discussion before. You're focusing too much on my demeanor. I do need to control my temper a bit better, kind of like One Brow does. But none of what I said is wrong. It is simply that people find it unacceptable to "insult" religion.

Yes, we have had this conversation before. I fully admit that you are light years ahead of me regarding the subject, and I appreciate the fact that you are willing to indulge my thoughts and opinions. That being said, I'm going to disagree with a lot of it. Regarding your statement, "It is simply that people find it unacceptable to "insult" religion.", there is a reason for that; In America, the first amendment grants a fundamental right to practice however you see fit, without fear of persecution. Thomas Jefferson wrote, "No man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities." In short, let people worship however the **** they want. I expect people to let me worship how, what, and wherever I want, and I expect to do it free from ridicule and insults. If certain aspects of someone's faith requires or inspires them to commit crimes, then hate the crime and the individual, but don't hate the religion.

So a small percentage of Muslims are actual terrorists. Nobody is denying that. But why does terrorism follow Muslims wherever they go? A coincidence?

Why do dog bites follow Pit Bulls wherever they go? Why does Prozac follow Mormon women wherever they go? Why does incest and rape follow FLDS wherever they go? Why does intellectual honesty follow Vinylone wherever he goes? The reason for all of those questions is simple: Perception. Stupid irresponsible owners cause most Pit Bull problems, not the dogs themselves. Some Mormon women suffer, no doubt about it (read here:https://home.teleport.com/~packham/prozac.htm ), but the majority of them don't. Warren Jeffs is a despicable human being who raped, tormented, and bullied his way into power. For every scum bag like Jeff's, there are thousands of hard working, loyal, and decent FLDS members. Vinylone is short. It happens. Again, it all boils down to perception. Of course terrorism follows Muslims, because that is the only time that the media will report it. A simple google of "Christian Terrorism" will show you what I am talking about. The fact is, more people are killed in the name of Christianity's God than Islam's God. American's don't want to hear about it, and thus, the media doesn't report it. Buzz words like, "Terrorism", "Radicals", and "Extremists" have all been created in order to fuel this nonsense.

And while a small percentage of Muslims are terrorists, a massive percentage of terrorists are Muslims. How atrocious the consequences of an ideology must be before it can be criticized?

I just watched something that was relevant: https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010...ng-about-10-percent-muslims-being-terrorists/ It is four minutes long, and worth the watch. If you agree with the stats in the video, then can we really call Islam an "ideology" (in the terms you put it)? It appears to me that, as in my above examples, perception has trumped actual fact.

And terrorism is not the only issue with Islam. Far from it. Why is it okay to program women to think that being treated like filth is the only way for them to maintain their dignity in the eyes of god? Why should I turn a blind eye to the sectarian violence that has claimed the lives of hundreds of thousands of people in the past decade? Because it's not the religion, it's the people? How strange it is to think that some old ideas written by men of ignorance deserve more protection than the people they destroy.

First off, I don't think that terrorism is an issue with Islam, but I digress -- To your other point, it is not ok for women to be treated like filth. I hope you don't ever turn a blind eye to any type of violence, especially if it claims innocent lives; I don't think you ever would. However, I will say again, I believe it is the people who are making those decisions, not the religion itself. Does the religion reflect the culture and vise versa? It probably does. Is it just as simple as saying, "If you're a woman in a violent situation, just leave."? No, of course not. How do you tell a polygamous person that they are being treated poorly, that their choices are harming themselves and their families, or that they are flat out wrong -- when they are telling you that they are just fine? How do you tell a devout Muslim those same things? Or a Mormon, or Catholic, or a homosexual? (those are hypothetical questions) I don't have an answer, or even a suggestion, but I won't relegate myself to the lowest form of thinking or communicating by insulting or demeaning someone's faith. I'm shocked to see someone as brilliant as you do just that. Leave the bigotry and ignorant hate for the dimmest portion of our population. (see PearlWatson)

The issues with religion in general, and Islam in particular, are real and incredibly serious. The fact that people are trained to revere irrationality since the day they're born only makes my attacks more justified.

Sorry Siro, there is no sufficient justification when attacking someone for their faith or beliefs*. What you think of as "irrationality" obviously isn't irrational to some people. People are still people, with their own brains, bodies, and thoughts, which means if what they've been taught doesn't jive anymore, they can stop. Again, religion never forced anyone to strap a bomb to their chest and blow up a cafe.

*special justification for pedophiles and Utah fans is fine.

I am sorry decent people get offended by my attitude. But the lives of those murdered in the name of Allah hold far, FAR, more value than the feelings of those who enable them. And they do enable them. The tens of millions of who support terrorist organizations financially, politically, and ideologically are part of the problem. And those people make up a much larger percentage than 0.01% or even 10%. When will it be okay for me to judge?

Is it ever ok to judge others? We're all guilty of it, but seriously, is it ever ok? Classic "Chicken or the Egg" situation. If you lived outside of the US and knew that each and every American hated you, your religion, your belief's, and your country -- and on top of that, they were bombing your city, destroyed your home, and American troops murdered your father and three brothers, all in the name of Oil -- wouldn't you embrace what guys like Bin Laden were preaching? That's hypothetical to the max, but how off is it really? I don't know why the United States has decided to wage war on the Middle East (conspiracy's abound), but you have to think that if we had stayed out of their business, or if we absolutely had to get involved, done it with much greater diplomacy, that the vast majority of terrorist attacks on the US would have never come to fruition. So, which came first: Radical Jihadist's killing Americans in the name of Allah, or Americans asking for it by initially invading the Middle East, and by then perpetuating the hate and fear mongering of Islam?

How about the Muslim public rise up and reject those organizations loudly, publicly, and with overwhelming numbers?

Preach on! This is a mighty effort, and it has been going strong for some time, but unfortunately, you don't hear about it or read about it, unless you actually go looking for it. Google "Muslims against terrorism" or just click here. How many of those have you heard about? Again, it always boils down to perception.

Instead of, you know, sheltering them in their homes and towns? But no, they have their protests and their marches, and they paint them with words like democracy and freedom. But what they really want? A strict Islamic rule. Egypt's revolution was about getting the Muslim Brotherhood in power. Pretty much all of the protests related to the Arab Spring are about replacing "pro-Western" dictators with Islamic ones. Regardless of whatever fantasy about the longing for freedom that Westerners like to indulge in.

If there were a group of fanatical Mormons that were hunting down and killing the same invaders who murdered my family, bombed my city and burned my home -- I'd probably hide them too. I have a feeling that most of us would. As for wanting them wanting a "Strict Islamic Rule", well gosh, if that's what they want then why not let them have it? Are they not big boys that can make their own decisions? Just because we think democracy is groovy doesn't mean that we cram it down everyone's throat.

Edit: Also make no mistake, to them you ARE the enemy. Not to the terrorists, but to the average Muslim. All the liberal talk about tolerance and acceptance is unrequited. But it's okay. That's what makes the West superior. A culture that tries to understand and help everyone, regardless of the occasional villainy of their governments.

I don't doubt it, nor do I begrudge them their hatred. I'd hate us too. As for being unrequited, of course it is. The (very)vocal majority doesn't talk about tolerance or acceptance, and in fact, drives around with Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, and Sean Hannity blasting out of their windows while saying **** like, "If you're not with us, you're against us." or "If you don't like it, LEAVE!". Going up against that kind of thinking is pretty much moot. You want to see just how low America is? Listen to an hour of those guys I mentioned above. It is no wonder at all why most of the world hates America. What I do find comfort and take much pride in, is just what you said: "A culture that tries to understand and help everyone, regardless of the occasional villainy of their governments." I don't know if you were being facetious, but underneath the ugly shell that the world sees lies the America that I'm proud to be a part of. We can be bitterest of enemies one day, yet come together for the benefit of all during times of tragedy. Overall I think that is more of a Human trait, but I like to claim it as our own.


Look, man, I don't like to argue with you because you're a decent dude. I think I understand where you're coming from and I appreciate why you think the way you do. Do I expect to change your mind based on anything I've said here? Nope. Just like it's doubtful that I'll change my tune anytime soon. However, even in disagreement, I do still find nuggets of truth and thought provoking ideas in all of your posts. At the very worst, I hope you can say the same for mine.

PBUH

 

[Siro]

Thanks for the response E.J. Wells. I obviously disagree with your view on religion and how it should be approached. I can go on about the illusion of free will and the need to add provocative perspectives and opinions if one is to positively affect the state of collective consciousness we call culture, but I think it is better to just leave it be. I've said everything that needed to be said.

As for the chicken and the egg, don't be silly. Of course the egg came first. That is, eggs existed long before the species we know as the modern chicken evolved into its current form. So if you go back far enough in time, you will find a chicken ancestor that looks nothing like chickens. And it will lay eggs. As you fast forward in time, it will slowly look more and more like chicken, until it meets the characteristics we use to define the species. And all of the characters in that narrative of chicken-existence will have emerged from eggs

 

[TroutBum]

As for the chicken and the egg, don't be silly. Of course the egg came first. That is, eggs existed long before the species we know as the modern chicken evolved into its current form. So if you go back far enough in time, you will find a chicken ancestor that looks nothing like chickens. And it will lay eggs. As you fast forward in time, it will slowly look more and more like chicken, until it meets the characteristics we use to define the species. And all of the characters in that narrative of chicken-existence will have emerged from eggs

This is the kind of nugget I was talking about. Science > Chickens > BeanClown's Opinion

 

[The Black Swordsman]

Since you obviously have selecting reading issues I will repost Siro's data:

That's the Homeland Security's report on global terrorism.

Africa experienced 978 attacks in 2011, an 11.5 percent increase over 2010. This is attributable in large
part to the more aggressive attack tempo of the Nigeria-based terrorist group Boko Haram, which
conducted 136 attacks in 2011—up from 31 in 2010.
The Near East and South Asia suffered 7,721 attacks and 9,236 deaths. The majority of those occurred in
just three countries—Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan—which, together, accounted for 85 percent of
attacks in these regions and almost 64 percent of attacks worldwide. While attacks in Afghanistan and
Iraq decreased from 2010 by 14 and 16 percent, respectively, attacks in Pakistan increased by 8 percent.1
Sunni extremists accounted for the greatest number of terrorist attacks and fatalities for the third
consecutive year. More than 5,700 incidents were attributed to Sunni extremists, accounting for nearly
56 percent of all attacks and about 70 percent of all fatalities. Among this perpetrator group, al-Qa‘ida
(AQ) and its affiliates were responsible for at least 688 attacks that resulted in almost 2,000 deaths, while the
Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan conducted over 800 attacks that resulted in nearly 1,900 deaths.
Secular, political, and anarchist groups were the next largest category of perpetrators, conducting 2,283
attacks with 1,926 fatalities, a drop of 5 percent and 9 percent, respectively, from 2010.
Suicide attacks rose from 264 in 2010 to 279 in 2011. In spite of the increase, this represents a sharp
drop from the five-year peak of 520 suicide attacks in 2007. Sunni extremists conducted 93 percent of
suicide attacks.
Over 12,000 people were killed by terrorist attacks in 2011. The overall number of victims killed,
however, decreased 5 percent from 2010. More than half of the people killed in 2011 were
civilians and 755 were children. Although terrorism deaths decreased, the number of government
representative and security force fatalities increased significantly. Muslims continued to bear the brunt of
terrorism, while attacks targeting Christians dropped nearly 45 percent from a five-year high in 2010

You only linked Muslim terrorism along with siro. Link non muslim terrorism and compare. Muslims are only .5% of terrorism according to FBI data.

 

[reignman40]

You only linked Muslim terrorism along with siro. Link non muslim terrorism and compare. Muslims are only .5% of terrorism according to FBI data.

They just say that kind of stuff to not offend anyone... IMO these mosques they attend should monitored. It's time to say enough is enough and we don't want these murders in our country.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

They just say that kind of stuff to not offend anyone... IMO these mosques they attend should monitored. It's time to say enough is enough and we don't want these murders in our country.

Ya FBI main priority is not to offend anyone rather than defend against terrorism. Same with Harvard. Also n 2006, The FBI planted an informant in a Southern California mosque who pretended to be a radical Muslim and the Muslims at the mosque reported him to the FBI. https://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/471/the-convert

 

[TroutBum]

They just say that kind of stuff to not offend anyone... IMO these mosques they attend should monitored. It's time to say enough is enough and we don't want these murders in our country.

And this, ladies and gents, is exactly what I was talking about.

 

[MVP]

You only linked Muslim terrorism along with siro. Link non muslim terrorism and compare. Muslims are only .5% of terrorism according to FBI data.

"I am one of the servants of Allah. We do our duty of fighting for the
sake of the religion of Allah. It is also our duty to send a call to
all the people of the world to enjoy this great light and to
embrace Islam and experience the happiness in Islam.
Our primary mission is nothing but the furthering of this religion."
Osama bin Laden (1957 - 2011)

This is islamic terror attacks in just last 30 days: If it only is 0.5% I would love to see rest 99.5%, lol.

List of Islamic Terror Attacks For the Past 30 Days
Date Country City Killed Injured Description
2013.04.26 Pakistan Karachi 11 45 Children are among the casualties when fundamentalists detonate a bomb at the office of a moderate political party.
2013.04.26 India Haigam 4 0 Four policemen are gunned down in cold blood by Islamic terrorists.
2013.04.26 Iraq Baghdad 8 36 Bombs planted by sectarian rivals outside mosques kill eight worshippers.
2013.04.26 Iraq Baghdad 7 13 Jihadis bomb a shopping center killing seven patrons.
2013.04.26 Iraq Sadr City 5 19 Five people are disassembled by a Mujahid bomb at a motorcycle shop.
2013.04.25 Pakistan Karachi 6 13 The Taliban bomb the offices of a secular-leaning political party, killing at six.
2013.04.25 Nigeria Gashua 11 0 Eleven people are killed in two Boko Haram attacks.
2013.04.24 Iraq Baghdad 8 23 Eight Shiites at a bus stop are obliterated by Sunni bombers.
2013.04.23 Iraq Baghdad 7 17 Muslims bomb a rival mosque, killing seven worshippers.
2013.04.23 Iraq Muqdadiya 9 25 Nine people bleed to death as Shiites send mortars into a Sunni mosque.
2013.04.23 Pakistan Karachi 3 30 At least three people lose their lives to Lashkar-e-Jhangvi bombers at an election rally.
2013.04.23 Pakistan Quetta 6 47 A suicide car bomber detonates in a Shiite neighborhood, taking six innocents with him.
2013.04.22 Iraq Fallujah 9 24 Nine people at a restaurant are taken out in mid-bite by Mujahid bombers.
2013.04.21 Thailand Pattani 1 1 A 49-year-old Buddhist woman is gunned down in a targeted attack by Muslim militants.
2013.04.21 Afghanistan Paktika 3 5 Three civilians at a shopping mall are blown to bits by a Shahid suicide bomber.
2013.04.20 Pakistan Khar 4 4 A female Fedayeen blows herself up outside a hospital, taking four innocents with her.
2013.04.19 Nigeria Bui 3 0 Boko Haram extremists pull three men out of a vehicle and execute them on the spot.
2013.04.19 Pakistan Wana 4 8 Taliban extremists send rockets into an election rally, killing four people.
2013.04.19 Iraq Khalis 7 14 A Mujahideen mortar attack on a rival mosque leaves seven dead.
2013.04.19 USA Boston, MA 1 1 Jihadists gun down a university police officer sitting in his car.
2013.04.18 Iraq Baghdad 32 65 Children are among nearly three dozen people at a coffee shop obliterated by a Shahid suicide bomber.
2013.04.18 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A man working his vegetable garden is shot to death by Muslim 'insurgents'.
2013.04.18 Pakistan Miranshah 1 0 A grocery trader is taken out by an Islamist ambush.
2013.04.18 Kenya Garissa 9 3 al-Shabaab gunmen burst into a hotel and mow down nine people having dinner.
2013.04.18 Iraq Mosul 3 5 An al-Qaeda car bomb takes out three Iraqis.
2013.04.18 Pakistan Hyderabad 1 0 A secular politician is assassinated by religious radicals.
2013.04.17 India Bangalore 0 16 The Indian Mujahideen detonate a bomb outside a Hindu party office.
2013.04.17 Afghanistan Jowzjan 6 0 Six Afghans are kidnapped an beheaded by terrorists fighting for an Islamic state.
2013.04.17 Afghanistan Laghman 4 0 Four local cops are shot to death by Islamic extremists.
2013.04.17 Afghanistan Qarabagh 5 0 Five Afghans are murdered by the Taliban.
2013.04.17 Afghanistan Shindad 7 4 Seven women and children are dismantled by a Mujahid shrapnel bomb.
2013.04.17 Iraq Baghdad 3 16 Three people are killed by Mujahid bombers.
2013.04.16 Thailand Pattani 1 3 Muslim terrorists kill a local soldier with a bomb.
2013.04.16 Afghanistan Jawzjan 2 1 Two health care workers are brutally gunned down by Islamic radicals.
2013.04.16 Pakistan Peshawar 16 35 Two children are among sixteen innocents torn to shreds by a Holy Warrior suicide bomber.
2013.04.16 Pakistan Syed Gai 9 8 A Shahid suicide bomber at a checkpoint sends other nine souls to Allah.
2013.04.16 Afghanistan Mali Zai 8 0 Religion of Peace bombers take down eight members of the same family.
2013.04.16 Pakistan Khuzdar 3 0 Islamists are thought responsible for the cold-blooded murder of a politician's family.
2013.04.16 Nigeria Kaduna 2 0 Islamists gun down two police officers on their way home from work.
2013.04.16 Pakistan Jamaldinwali 2 0 Two women are 'honor killed' by their families for moral crime.
2013.04.15 Iraq Kamaliya 4 13 An al-Qaeda bombing near an elementary school leaves four dead.
2013.04.15 Afghanistan Mali Zai 7 4 Seven civilians are pulled into pieces by Taliban bombers.
2013.04.15 Iraq Habibiya 10 12 At least ten Iraqis at an auto mall are taken out by Mujahid car bombers.
2013.04.15 Iraq Umm al-Maalif 4 15 Islamic bombers destroy a market, along with four patrons.
2013.04.15 Iraq Baghdad 4 29 Two Mujahid bombings leave four dead at a commercial district.
2013.04.15 Iraq Tuz Khurmatu 6 67 Six people are torn to shreds by al-Qaeda bombers.
2013.04.15 Iraq Kirkuk 9 79 Six car bombs leave at least nine Iraqis dead.
2013.04.15 Pakistan Dera Ismail Khan 2 3 Sunni militants murder two election workers.
2013.04.15 Iraq Mussayab 2 13 Religious extremists car bomb an open air market, killing at least two.
2013.04.15 Iraq Fallujah 2 14 A Fedayeen suicide bomber takes out two innocents along a city street.
2013.04.15 Pakistan Karachi 1 0 Lashkar-e-Jhangvi murder a man for being a Shiite.
2013.04.15 Pakistan Banjot 1 0 A secular-leaning politician is blown to bits by fundamentalist bombers.
2013.04.15 Iraq Khalis 1 8 Mujahideen bombers murder a child.
2013.04.15 Iraq Nasiriyah 2 14 Two civilians are sent to Allah by al-Qaeda bombers.
2013.04.15 USA Boston, MA 3 264 Foreign-born Muslims describing themselves as 'very religious' detonate two bombs packed with ball bearings at the Boston Marathon, killing three people and causing several more to lose limbs.
2013.04.14 Pakistan Gulshan-i-Iqbal 2 0 Sectarian Jihadis murder a father and son at a mobile phone shop.
2013.04.14 Pakistan Manglawar 1 0 Taliban bombers take out a peace committee member.
2013.04.14 Somalia Mogadishu 29 58 Twenty-nine civilians are sent to Allah when six suicide bombers storm a courthouse.
2013.04.14 Somalia Mogadishu 5 0 Aid workers are among those killed by Islamists bombers.
2013.04.14 Jordan Amman 1 0 A pregnant woman's throat is slit in an honor killing, after which her body is burned.
2013.04.14 Iraq Baji 1 0 A secular politician is assassinated by suspected Islamists.
2013.04.14 Iraq Shura 6 14 Five policemen are killed when Islamic militants booby-trap the body of another murdered policeman.
2013.04.14 Iraq Diyala 4 0 A moderate and three family members are blown to bits by radical Sunnis.
2013.04.14 Afghanistan Darzab 2 6 Two Afghan policemen are shot to death by Taliban fundamentalists.
2013.04.13 Pakistan Matani 9 19 Women are among nine killed when Mujahideen bomb a passenger bus.
2013.04.13 Nigeria Monguno 3 0 Sharia advocates ambush students from a local university, tie them up and slit their throats.
2013.04.13 Yemen Hadramout 1 0 Two al-Qaeda gunmen assassinate a government official.
2013.04.13 Pakistan Karachi 1 0 A secular political activist is found tortured to death following Taliban threats.
2013.04.13 Somalia Buulodbarde 1 0 Islamists murder a Christian mother of five only four months after doing the same to her husband. Both were killed for leaving Islam.
2013.04.12 Thailand Pattani 1 0 Muslim militants machine-gun a 46-year man on his way home.
2013.04.12 Afghanistan Nari 13 0 More than 100 Sunni fundamentalists pump rockets and grenades into a remote outpost, killing thirteen Afghan defenders.
2013.04.12 Mali Kidal 3 0 At least three people are killed by a suicide bomber.
2013.04.12 Iraq Kanaan 12 30 Mujahideen detonate two bombs at a Sunni mosque, leaving a dozen worshippers dead.
2013.04.12 Pakistan Karachi 1 0 A Shia religious scholar is murdered by Sunni rivals from the Ahl-e-Sunnat wal Jamaat terror group.
2013.04.12 Iraq Mosul 3 0 Three security personnel are kidnapped and executed by al-Qaeda.
2013.04.12 Pakistan Mach 1 0 Sipah-e-Sahaba gunmen take out a Shia civilian.
2013.04.12 Dagestan Buinaksk 1 3 One person is killed when Islamists set off a bomb near a school.
2013.04.12 Afghanistan Shiberghan 1 0 A man beheads his wife over 'moral crime'.
2013.04.11 Afghanistan Chora 3 0 Taliban militants murder three local cops.
2013.04.11 Afghanistan Marjah 1 2 One civilian is killed by Sunni bombers.
2013.04.11 Nigeria Babangida 4 2 Islamic extremists enter a police station and gun down four officers in cold blood.
2013.04.11 Pakistan Sindh 1 0 The Tehreek-e-Taliban assassinate a secular politician.
2013.04.11 Bangladesh Kazirhat 3 100 Jamaat-e-Islami radicals bludgeon three people with sticks and knives.
2013.04.11 Egypt Khusus 1 0 A 26-year-old Christian is doused with gasoline and set ablaze.
2013.04.11 Iraq Fallujah 2 0 Mujahid snipers pick off two civilians, including a young boy.
2013.04.11 Syria Homs 20 0 Six children, including a baby, are among twenty people executed by Hezbollah.
2013.04.10 Pakistan Mardan 1 1 A guard for a polio vaccination team is shot to death on the job by fundamentalists.
2013.04.10 Thailand Pattani 2 6 Muslim 'insurgents' bomb a community center, killing two people.
2013.04.10 Pakistan Shahkas 1 0 Terrorists gun down a 28-year-old man at a cricket match.
2013.04.10 Nigeria Dikwa 4 0 Islamists brutally murder three education officials and their driver, including one in charge of a program to feed poor students.
2013.04.10 Nigeria Bama 4 0 Two teachers and the wife and 12-year-old child one are slaughtered and burned by Sharia advocates.
2013.04.10 India Srinigar 0 9 Two children and five women are among nine Christians attacked in their home by a mob whipped into a frenzy by an imam.
2013.04.09 Philippines Ungkaya Pukan 1 0 A local soldier is murdered by Abu Sayyaf.
2013.04.09 Nigeria Gwoza 3 0 Islamists shoot three people in the head while they are playing cards, including a pastor's son.
2013.04.09 Afghanistan Char Borjak 4 2 Sunni extremists kill four local cops with a roadside bomb.
2013.04.09 Pakistan Hayatabad 0 23 Two dozen people are injured when Islamic militants send mortars into a residential neighborhood.
2013.04.09 Afghanistan Marjah 5 4 A bomb planted by Sunni extremists leaves five dead civilians along a city street.
2013.04.09 India Pulwama 1 0 Islamic militants gun down a 45-year-old man in his own home.
2013.04.09 Afghanistan Paron 2 0 A Taliban attack leaves two local cops dead.
2013.04.08 Somalia Beaver Ridge Canaan 1 0 A 22-year-old woman is executed by Islamic militia.
2013.04.08 Bangladesh Chittagong 0 20 Twenty people are hurt when Hifazat-e-Islam riot over a decision not to impose a blasphemy law.
2013.04.08 Syria Damascus 15 53 A Fedayeen suicide car bomb rips through a crowded street, leaving at least fifteen dead.
2013.04.08 Iraq Abu Ghraib 4 4 Two bombings kill four local cops.
2013.04.08 Nigeria Borno 1 0 A guard at a market is killed during a Boko Haram attack.
2013.04.08 Afghanistan Wardak 9 22 Religion of Peace hardliners detonate a bomb under a bus, killing nine passengers.
2013.04.07 Egypt Cairo 2 89 Muslim radicals attack a group of mourners leaving a church, killing one on the spot and another in subsequent clashes.
2013.04.07 Pakistan Mathra 1 0 The body of a man kidnapped and tortured to death by the Taliban is found along a roadside.
2013.04.07 Pakistan Jaffar Tayyar 1 0 Lashkar-e-Jhagvi gunmen murder a Shiite near a cricket field.
2013.04.07 Thailand Yala 1 0 Muslim militants behead a plantation worker.
2013.04.07 Iraq Mosul 4 7 al-Qaeda bombers take out four Iraqis.
2013.04.07 Pakistan Peshawar 1 1 Sunnis fire on a Shia mosque, killing the custodian.
2013.04.07 Pakistan Taunsa 1 0 A 15-year-old boy is gunned down in a mosque by Sipah-e-Sahaba because he is Shia.
2013.04.07 Thailand Narathiwat 2 0 Two local soldiers are knocked off their motorcycle by Muslim militants, who proceed to execute them at point-blank range.
2013.04.06 Egypt Khusus 7 17 Angry Muslims torch a church and kill seven Christians over alleged desecration.
2013.04.06 Afghanistan Qalat 6 3 American civilians and a doctor are among six killed by a Shahid suicide bomber as they are delivering books to a school.
2013.04.06 Iraq Baqubah 22 60 A Fedayeen suicide bomber sends two dozen souls to Allah.
2013.04.06 Nigeria Midlu 11 5 Muslim radicals shoot, hack and slit the throats of eleven people.
2013.04.06 Pakistan Karachi 1 0 A Shia schoolteacher loses his life to sectarian Jihadis.
2013.04.06 Afghanistan Asadabad 2 0 Two children are obliterated by a Taliban rocket.
2013.04.06 Iraq Samarrah 3 5 A teenage boy is among the casualties of a Mujahideen bombing.
2013.04.06 Pakistan Orangi 1 0 Militants associated with a Sunni seminary gun down a Shiite.
2013.04.05 Pakistan Hayatabad 1 5 A young boy is killed when Islamic terrorists shell a town.
2013.04.05 Afghanistan Alingar 1 3 Terrorists kill a cop with a bomb attached to a donkey.
2013.04.05 Thailand Yala 2 1 Muslim bombers kill two people and put another into a coma.
2013.04.05 Indonesia Medan 8 6 Eight Buddhists are beaten to death by Muslims in an attack at a detention center.
2013.04.05 Iraq Hillah 5 15 Mujahideen murder five people in a series of attacks, including a bombing at vegetable market.
2013.04.05 Pakistan Syedabad 1 0 A Shia schoolteacher is murdered in a suspected sectarian attack.
2013.04.05 Bangladesh Dhaka 1 0 Hifazat-e-Islam murder a fruit vendor.
2013.04.04 Afghanistan Batikot 3 2 Three schoolchildren are dismantled by a Taliban roadside bomb.
2013.04.04 Kenya Garissa 3 24 al-Shabaab Islamists toss a hand grenade into a packed restaurant, killing three patrons.
2013.04.04 Pakistan Manga Mandi 1 0 A 20-year-old Christian is shot in the head by Muslims calling their religion 'supreme'.
2013.04.04 Somalia Marka 1 0 An elderly man is gunned down by suspected al-Shabaab.
2013.04.03 Thailand Yala 1 19 Muslim bombers take out a bus passenger.
2013.04.03 Pakistan Karachi 4 5 Four security personnel die when Islamic militants throw a grenade at their vehicle.
2013.04.03 Afghanistan Farah 53 91 Over fifty people are slaughtered when nine religious radicals storm a court and self-detonate.
2013.04.03 Pakistan Gujranwala 0 18 Eighteen Christians are injured by a Muslim mob whipped into a frenzy by a cleric.
2013.04.03 Iraq Baghdad 3 0 al-Qaeda gunmen enter a home and shoot a woman and her two sons to death.
2013.04.03 Tanzania Tunduma 2 3 Two Christians are murdered by Muslim extremists for selling non-halal meat.
2013.04.02 Kenya Garissa 3 0 Three guards at an Internet cafe are shot to death at point blank range by Islamists.
2013.04.02 Ingushetia Sunzhensky 1 5 Islamic 'insurgents' set off two bombs that leave one person dead.
2013.04.02 Pakistan Malir 1 0 Sunnis shoot a Shia shopowner to death.
2013.04.02 Iraq Baghdad 2 5 Two civilians are sent to Allah by Mujahid bombers.
2013.04.02 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Muslims abduct a local soldier from his home, blindfold and execute him behind a mosque.
2013.04.02 Pakistan Peshawar 7 4 Sunni extremists attack a power station, killing two on the spot and then executing five people taken as hostages.
2013.04.01 Iraq Tikrit 11 59 A Fedayeen suicide bomber massacres eleven Iraqis.
2013.04.01 Pakistan Jani Khel 2 7 The Tehreek-e-Taliban murder two tribal elders with a planted bomb.
2013.04.01 Iraq Akkas 3 2 al-Qaeda attack an oil field, killing several engineers.
2013.04.01 Yemen Ghail Bawazir 1 0 Suspected al-Qaeda gunmen murder a man on his way home.
2013.04.01 Somalia Mogadishu 1 0 A boy is gunned down by al-Shabaab fundamentalists.
2013.04.01 Nigeria Pulka 1 0 Religion of Peace radicals shoot a man to death in front of his wife and children.
2013.03.31 Mali Asongo 2 0 Two people are dismantled by an Islamist landmine.
2013.03.31 Nigeria Ataka 19 12 Muslim 'nomads' attack a Christian village, butchering nineteen people, including women and children.
2013.03.31 Pakistan Wali Noor 2 6 Two members of a 'secular-leaning' party are blown to bits by religious radicals.
2013.03.31 Iraq Fallujah 3 1 An imam is shot to death along with two others by Religion of Peace rivals.
2013.03.31 Bangladesh Rajshahi 0 50 Jamaat-e-Islami radicals injure 50 people with bombs and bricks, including an innocent who had both hands blown off.
2013.03.31 Iraq Abu Ghraib 2 11 Two other people are blown up by a Shahid suicide bomber.
2013.03.31 Pakistan Gulbahar 1 0 A 30-year-old Shiite is gunned down by Sipah-e-Sahaba.
2013.03.31 Pakistan Darsamand 3 0 Islamic militants kidnap and murder three villagers.
2013.03.30 Thailand Pattani 2 4 A Religion of Peace motorcycle bomb leaves two dead.
2013.03.30 Pakistan Karachi 1 8 Terrorists throw a grenade at a middle school, killing the principal.
2013.03.30 Pakistan Mardan 1 6 A Fedayeen suicide bomber takes out one other person.
2013.03.30 Israel Samaria 0 1 A young woman suffers a head injury when young Arabs hurl rocks at her car.
2013.03.30 Pakistan Tirah Valley 2 1 An 18-year-old is among two women killed in their home by a mortar fired by an Islamist group.
2013.03.29 Iraq Zafaraniyah 3 15 Sunni bombers slay three Shiites outside their mosque.
2013.03.29 Pakistan Saddar 12 16 A dozen people are torn to shreds by a Shahid suicide bomber at a parking lot, including women and children.
2013.03.29 Thailand Narathiwat 1 14 Muslim 'separatists' kill one Thai with a planted bomb.
2013.03.29 Nigeria Ratas 9 0 Fulani 'militias' murder nine villagers.
2013.03.29 Pakistan Risalpur 1 0 A cleric is shot to death in his own mosque during prayers after trying to stop sectarian Jihadis from pasting hateful posters.
2013.03.29 Iraq Qahira 4 20 Four Shiites are taken down by Islamic Army of Iraq bombers.
2013.03.29 Thailand Pattani 1 1 Islamic 'separatists' murder a 75-year-old plantation worker and severely injure his son.
2013.03.29 Iraq Binook 5 14 Five Shiites are blown to bits by al-Qaeda bombers.
2013.03.29 Iraq Kirkuk 3 70 A suicide car bomber targets Shiites leaving a mosque, killing at least three.
2013.03.29 Pakistan Karachi 1 0 Muslims shoot a Hindu man to death.
2013.03.29 Iraq Kut 2 0 Two primary school teachers are shot to death by suspected Islamists.
2013.03.29 Syria Aleppo 1 0 Muslim rebels behead a rival cleric and parade his body.
2013.03.29 Iraq Baghdad 7 25 al-Qaeda car bombers murder seven worshipper as at a Shiite mosque.
2013.03.28 Nigeria Barkin Ladi 9 3 Nine Christians are machine-gunned during a Muslim raid on their village.
2013.03.28 Pakistan Damadola 2 0 Taliban bombers take down two local soldiers on patrol.
2013.03.28 Thailand Narathiwat 3 5 Muslim bombers kill three local soldiers.
2013.03.28 Syria Damascus 15 30 Sunni terrorists deliberately send mortars into a university, massacring at least fifteen innocents.

 

[MVP]

Here is an article written by smart and honest muslim man. Why TBS can't be like him?

The Sad Truth Is That All Terrorists Are Muslim

Abd al-Rahman al-Rashid, September 23, 2004


It is certainly true that not all Muslims are terrorists, however, sadly we say that the majority of terrorists in the world are Muslims. The kidnappers of the students in [the city of Beslan in the Russian state of] Ossetia were Muslim. The kidnappers who killed the Nepalese chefs and laborers [in Iraq] were also Muslims. Those who perpetrate acts of rape and murder in Darfur are Muslims, and their victims are Muslim also. Those who blew up civilian housing complexes in Riyadh and Khobar [Saudi Arabia] were Muslims. Those who kidnapped the two French reporters [in Iraq] were Muslim. The two women who blew up those two planes a week ago [in Russia] were Muslim.

Bin Laden is a Muslim and [the rebel cleric in Yemen, Husayn Badr al-Din] al-Hawthi is a Muslim, and most of those who carried out suicidal acts against buses, schools, houses, buildings all over the world in the past ten years also were Muslims. What a terrible record—doesn’t that say something to us about ourselves, our societies and our culture?

These images are grim, shameful and despicable for us when we gather them and lay them out together in one day [here in this article], however instead of ignoring and justifying them we must first recognize the validity [of this sad truth] and not compose articles and speeches declaring our innocence. It makes it easier for us to treat ourselves if we recognize the sickness. [For] self-treatment begins first by recognition. Then it is incumbent on us to repudiate our terrorist offspring, as they are a natural result of a distorted culture. Listen to what television sheik Yusuf al-Qaradawi said, publicly issuing a fatwa giving permission to kill American civilians in Iraq. Imagine that, a religious scholar urging the killing of civilians, a sheik who belies the wisdom that old age supposedly brings, inciting the tender youth to kill civilians, [and] all the while he has two daughters who are studying in the safety of British protection in the infidel United Kingdom.

How can a father like him face the mother whose son [Nick] Berg was butchered because he came to Iraq to work on industrial towers? How can we believe him when he says to us that Islam is a religion of mercy and tolerance while he is turning it into a religion of blood?

Before this age of extremists, we considered leftists and nationalists as extremists, a source that undermined [our society] by their embrace of the principle of violence and their ease of adopting the vocation of murder; [whereas] the mosque was a place of secure comfort, and religious scholars were missionaries of peace and their sermons revolved around praiseworthy morals.

Islam is tyrannized because of the new Muslims. [It is] an innocent religion - evidence of which is indicated in its scriptures that forbid the cutting of trees for the sake of causing harm, and classified murder as the greatest of sins, and condemns someone who even tramples on an insect, and rewards a person who quenches the thirst of a cat. This is the Islam that we knew before the rise of groups that “infidelize” [declare other people infidels] brought about by the organizations, curriculums and teachers whose thinking has been overcome by the political [radical] groups and thus polluted their religion and minds.

It certainly doesn’t honor us that we are affiliated with those who take pupils as hostages in a school, and those who kidnap journalists, and those who kill civilians, and those who blow up buses (no matter what agonies these vengeful people may have suffered). These are the ones who disfigure and blacken the name of Islam. And we will not be able to improve our reputation until we recognize the clear and disgraceful truth: that most of the terrorist acts today in the world are perpetrated by the hands of Muslims. It is incumbent on us that we realize that we will not be able to reform the condition of our youth who commit these abominable crimes until we rectify the mentality of our sheiks who transform [themselves] into revolutionaries in their pulpits, sending other people’s children to wars while they send their children to European and American schools.

 

[Scat]

** Warning ** OneBrow style post ahead. Proceed with caution.



Yes, we have had this conversation before. I fully admit that you are light years ahead of me regarding the subject, and I appreciate the fact that you are willing to indulge my thoughts and opinions. That being said, I'm going to disagree with a lot of it. Regarding your statement, "It is simply that people find it unacceptable to "insult" religion.", there is a reason for that; In America, the first amendment grants a fundamental right to practice however you see fit, without fear of persecution. Thomas Jefferson wrote, "No man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities." In short, let people worship however the **** they want. I expect people to let me worship how, what, and wherever I want, and I expect to do it free from ridicule and insults. If certain aspects of someone's faith requires or inspires them to commit crimes, then hate the crime and the individual, but don't hate the religion.



Why do dog bites follow Pit Bulls wherever they go? Why does Prozac follow Mormon women wherever they go? Why does incest and rape follow FLDS wherever they go? Why does intellectual honesty follow Vinylone wherever he goes? The reason for all of those questions is simple: Perception. Stupid irresponsible owners cause most Pit Bull problems, not the dogs themselves. Some Mormon women suffer, no doubt about it (read here:https://home.teleport.com/~packham/prozac.htm ), but the majority of them don't. Warren Jeffs is a despicable human being who raped, tormented, and bullied his way into power. For every scum bag like Jeff's, there are thousands of hard working, loyal, and decent FLDS members. Vinylone is short. It happens. Again, it all boils down to perception. Of course terrorism follows Muslims, because that is the only time that the media will report it. A simple google of "Christian Terrorism" will show you what I am talking about. The fact is, more people are killed in the name of Christianity's God than Islam's God. American's don't want to hear about it, and thus, the media doesn't report it. Buzz words like, "Terrorism", "Radicals", and "Extremists" have all been created in order to fuel this nonsense.



I just watched something that was relevant: https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010...ng-about-10-percent-muslims-being-terrorists/ It is four minutes long, and worth the watch. If you agree with the stats in the video, then can we really call Islam an "ideology" (in the terms you put it)? It appears to me that, as in my above examples, perception has trumped actual fact.



First off, I don't think that terrorism is an issue with Islam, but I digress -- To your other point, it is not ok for women to be treated like filth. I hope you don't ever turn a blind eye to any type of violence, especially if it claims innocent lives; I don't think you ever would. However, I will say again, I believe it is the people who are making those decisions, not the religion itself. Does the religion reflect the culture and vise versa? It probably does. Is it just as simple as saying, "If you're a woman in a violent situation, just leave."? No, of course not. How do you tell a polygamous person that they are being treated poorly, that their choices are harming themselves and their families, or that they are flat out wrong -- when they are telling you that they are just fine? How do you tell a devout Muslim those same things? Or a Mormon, or Catholic, or a homosexual? (those are hypothetical questions) I don't have an answer, or even a suggestion, but I won't relegate myself to the lowest form of thinking or communicating by insulting or demeaning someone's faith. I'm shocked to see someone as brilliant as you do just that. Leave the bigotry and ignorant hate for the dimmest portion of our population. (see PearlWatson)



Sorry Siro, there is no sufficient justification when attacking someone for their faith or beliefs*. What you think of as "irrationality" obviously isn't irrational to some people. People are still people, with their own brains, bodies, and thoughts, which means if what they've been taught doesn't jive anymore, they can stop. Again, religion never forced anyone to strap a bomb to their chest and blow up a cafe.

*special justification for pedophiles and Utah fans is fine.



Is it ever ok to judge others? We're all guilty of it, but seriously, is it ever ok? Classic "Chicken or the Egg" situation. If you lived outside of the US and knew that each and every American hated you, your religion, your belief's, and your country -- and on top of that, they were bombing your city, destroyed your home, and American troops murdered your father and three brothers, all in the name of Oil -- wouldn't you embrace what guys like Bin Laden were preaching? That's hypothetical to the max, but how off is it really? I don't know why the United States has decided to wage war on the Middle East (conspiracy's abound), but you have to think that if we had stayed out of their business, or if we absolutely had to get involved, done it with much greater diplomacy, that the vast majority of terrorist attacks on the US would have never come to fruition. So, which came first: Radical Jihadist's killing Americans in the name of Allah, or Americans asking for it by initially invading the Middle East, and by then perpetuating the hate and fear mongering of Islam?



Preach on! This is a mighty effort, and it has been going strong for some time, but unfortunately, you don't hear about it or read about it, unless you actually go looking for it. Google "Muslims against terrorism" or just click here. How many of those have you heard about? Again, it always boils down to perception.



If there were a group of fanatical Mormons that were hunting down and killing the same invaders who murdered my family, bombed my city and burned my home -- I'd probably hide them too. I have a feeling that most of us would. As for wanting them wanting a "Strict Islamic Rule", well gosh, if that's what they want then why not let them have it? Are they not big boys that can make their own decisions? Just because we think democracy is groovy doesn't mean that we cram it down everyone's throat.



I don't doubt it, nor do I begrudge them their hatred. I'd hate us too. As for being unrequited, of course it is. The (very)vocal majority doesn't talk about tolerance or acceptance, and in fact, drives around with Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, and Sean Hannity blasting out of their windows while saying **** like, "If you're not with us, you're against us." or "If you don't like it, LEAVE!". Going up against that kind of thinking is pretty much moot. You want to see just how low America is? Listen to an hour of those guys I mentioned above. It is no wonder at all why most of the world hates America. What I do find comfort and take much pride in, is just what you said: "A culture that tries to understand and help everyone, regardless of the occasional villainy of their governments." I don't know if you were being facetious, but underneath the ugly shell that the world sees lies the America that I'm proud to be a part of. We can be bitterest of enemies one day, yet come together for the benefit of all during times of tragedy. Overall I think that is more of a Human trait, but I like to claim it as our own.


Look, man, I don't like to argue with you because you're a decent dude. I think I understand where you're coming from and I appreciate why you think the way you do. Do I expect to change your mind based on anything I've said here? Nope. Just like it's doubtful that I'll change my tune anytime soon. However, even in disagreement, I do still find nuggets of truth and thought provoking ideas in all of your posts. At the very worst, I hope you can say the same for mine.

PBUH

Wow... you are dangerously close to being a terrorist sympathizer with this post...

 

[Stoked]

I think this can be settled by saying that terrorists come from every nation, race and religion.

Case closed, good work people.

 

[Sandy Braille]

Wow... you are dangerously close to being a terrorist sympathizer with this post...

There is a difference between one who sympathizes, and one who attempts to understand.





Fortunately, this is evidence that there are still people who are attempting to look at the root cause of this behaviour, in attempts to better stop terrorism no matter the ethnicity, faith, or motive in general.



The quicker we can learn ways to stave off our society turning out Hook murders, cinema-shootings, college shootings, and pressure-cooker bombers, the better off we will be as a nation in the long-run.

Simply flaunting our chest as proud americans, and denouncing the faith of these two people does nothing but reassure our warped sense of conscience. These attempted mass-murders aren't going away-- so either you live with it as a society, or you try and strengthen this nation from within.

 

[Sandy Braille]

SiroMar: I find your point about the Islamic Golden age being HELD back by Islam laughable-- of course, I can understand why you argue it, as it fits your "religion represses progress" rhetoric, but choosing the Golden Age of Islam as a definitive proof of this is a very, very weak stance.


Also, I know you know that I meant that Islam shouldn't adopt its principles of 700 CE. I am saying that there was a very long span of time where they held views that were the MOST progressive relative to the rest of the world. We should try and understand a)what the sociological factors underlying that society where; b) how things have changed, and why; c) is there anyway we can try and get modern Islam to revert back into the times where Education (first and foremost-- after all, the first word that Allah told the prophet Muhammad through Gabriel was "Read", as you know), Philosophy, and Co-habitation with those of different ethnicities, races, and faiths. Muhammad was seen as a radical when he appointed Bilal ibn Raba as the Muezzin-- yet you say that Religious forces led to things like racial inequality, and reversed education.

 

[babe]

may I suggest that you study the western origins of muslim terrorists. . . . . the muslims who aligned with Hitler during the second world war, and those who were recruited later by western agents like the KGB or CIA or MI6???

If you just tell me you're interested, I'll PM you some links to folks who have been looking into this. . . .

I put the current controversy in the same class as the agitators who helped stoke the fires on both sides leading up the American Civil War. You have the same point sources of financing between opposite sides of a conflagration pushing us to war???

and those point sources are military industrialists with excess capacity for production???

EJ wanted the links I mentioned. . . . . here's a fellow who actually was employed by the Government and assigned to research this topic, with access to all the government docs. . . . and boy would he hate being mistaken for a right-wingnut or conspiracy theorist. To him it's a simple matter of fact.

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_muslimbrotherhood01.htm

you can actually just google this topic and find a lot of stuff, from all kinds of people. . . .

 

[The Black Swordsman]

SiroMar: I find your point about the Islamic Golden age being HELD back by Islam laughable-- of course, I can understand why you argue it, as it fits your "religion represses progress" rhetoric, but choosing the Golden Age of Islam as a definitive proof of this is a very, very weak stance.


Also, I know you know that I meant that Islam shouldn't adopt its principles of 700 CE. I am saying that there was a very long span of time where they held views that were the MOST progressive relative to the rest of the world. We should try and understand a)what the sociological factors underlying that society where; b) how things have changed, and why; c) is there anyway we can try and get modern Islam to revert back into the times where Education (first and foremost-- after all, the first word that Allah told the prophet Muhammad through Gabriel was "Read", as you know), Philosophy, and Co-habitation with those of different ethnicities, races, and faiths. Muhammad was seen as a radical when he appointed Bilal ibn Raba as the Muezzin-- yet you say that Religious forces led to things like racial inequality, and reversed education.

Oh ya remember when Islam was ahead in the world? Ya it has nothing to do with Islam. Oh ya you know how Islam is behind the rest of the world? Oh ya it has everything to do with Islam. You know why? Because I said so.

 

[babe]

Wow... you are dangerously close to being a terrorist sympathizer with this post...

I suppose you don't see his point and are yourself "dangerously close" to proving his point????

I like Rush and Hannity and a lot of other talk show folks. . . . because they are there and on the air, and I can listen. I used o listen to NPR every day and knew who all their folks were, but when Rush came on, it was really a lot of fun and I like some pretty intelligent people with opinions. . . . just like I did when it was all liberals. How come we don't have a publicly-funded counterpoint to NPR???? Isn't that just some silly abuse of public funds to propagandize the American people???

If you don't want to hear the stuff Limbaugh says, at least you're not paying for it to be on the air.

So I know Hannity is a Republican Party hack who would do anything to discredit Ron Paul. And I know Rush "sold out" to the big boys at one point and became pretty much biased in his selection of points. Recently he has taken on the Republican Party once again, like he did back in the early nineties. Whoever you listen to, you need to analyze their point of view and check it out some. . . . it's never just "right".

It isn't "right" to just believe what you're taught in public schools either. . . . or anywhere else.

 

[Duck Rodgers]

I don't understand why the media keeps talking to that Uncle. He clearly stated he thinks the guys were losers and hasn't talked to them for a lot of years....so what value could he possibly hold? And yet, they act like the info he is feeding them is paramount and the story is all of the sudden going to make sense when he pulls a bigger turd of speculation out of his know nothing ***.

 

[Scat]

There is a difference between one who sympathizes, and one who attempts to understand.

Hence the reason I used the word close rather than are.

 

[Sandy Braille]

Hence the reason I used the word close rather than are.

 

[Scat]

I do not think you understand the gif you posted.