PearlWatson
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The most amusing part of this reaction is the speed at which it occurred. It is as though Darwiniacs have an accidental mutation that senses when they need to defend their favorite culties.
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The most amusing part of this reaction is the speed at which it occurred. It is as though Darwiniacs have an accidental mutation that senses when they need to defend their favorite culties.
NAOS
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Your shtick was funny for a minute, Mr. American Ferk. But you've run out of material.
PearlWatson
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I'm sure you have heard of Pascal's Wager.
So, using myself as an example, even though I do not believe that God exists any more than I believe in poltergeists, I should just go ahead and pretend to be religious? That would be best, even if there is no God?
Please don't ignore that for this hypothetical we're assuming God doesn't actually exist. Not that his existence is a big silly mystery, like in real life, but that for the purpose of my question he is known to NOT exist.
PearlWatson
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PearlWatson
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If we assume there is no God then you can do whatever the hell you want. There is no wrong or right way to behave.
But just because you deny God doesn't mean you ain't extremely religious. You have your own faith in things not seen...your own cosmology, etc.
I am just saying that don't you think that religious people thinkt he same thing anytime some athiest person goes off about how we are all alone and that when we die that is it.
You are tired of hearing those lectures, well maybe we are as well.
So if this whole time there hasn't really been a God then actions that you have considered moral and right were actually immoral because they were not defined as moral by a supreme being? Or is it possible that God and His authority to define right and wrong has always been under the control of mere mortal men? I mean, even Christian morality is subjective. What it means to you, today, in the U.S., is far different than what it meant to a person in the U.S. 150 years ago, let alone someone living in Europe 600 years ago. So, God has not provided mankind with an absolute moral code. Mankind continues to create it's own moral code and have special men appointed to high positions in religious institutions give it the Lord's stamp of approval.
MVP
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I find this utterly confusing. Religious people commit more crimes then atheists ( that's proven fact based on data from USA prisons) - so what is your point? Me being non believer in god does not push me towards doing "whatever the hell I want". I think compared to my previous co-worker who is mormon ( and use to smoke, do drugs, drink , DUI, and get involved in group sex ) I am way more decent human being. We had this discussion before and it is sad you coming back to it as it makes no sense whatsoever.
PearlWatson
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There is no such thing as "immoral" if there is no God. There is just lawful and unlawful.
Your statement that God has not provided mankind with an absolute moral code assumes there is a God in order to "prove" there isn't one, so I don't know what to take from that.
Are you trying to explain your "rationality" or convert me to your way of thinking?
PearlWatson
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If there is no God there is no right or wrong, just lawful or unlawful.
Why do you care whether God-deniers are considered "decent" or not? Why reject God as a moral authority only to give it to your fellow humans?
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Actually, I'd just appreciate not hearing that particular falsehood around here anymore.
you've got a bunch of trolls on your tail. I know this only relates to the Boston Marathon Explosion in the very extremely remote speculation that some Islamic believers are alleged by some to have done their deed in the name of their "religion".
The bomb boys were likely idiots all fired up against Russian and "Western" atrocities committed against their native ethnic folks in Chechnya. The folks who radicalized the religion card in Chechnya were indeed "Western" puppets run by American "intelligence" black psy-op public manipulators. The communist movement since Karl Marx has never had any more relevant "control". I don't for a moment imagine that people riled up by the rhetoric of a hijacked religion under the control of egomaniacal world-scale warmongers are at all "religious".
so I suggest the trolls pack it in and start a relevant thread somewhere.
I'm copying Pearl's comment into the LTE since it also has nothing to do with idiot boys blowing up innocent folks on a city street for no good reason.
Many, if not most, atheist philosophers think otherwise.
Try the blog Camels with Hammers, for a start.
not a falsehood at all, and you don't own the language or it's meaning. Go pound some sand.
My fellow humans exist, have opinions worth considering, and are directly affected by my actions. Thus, I find it appropriate to consider, and sometimes accede, to their authority.
You mean, after you stick your head into that sand? I already quoted Hitler extensively on atheism and God (linked below for your easy reference), it's clear he despises atheism and accepts some sort of God. Of course, you probably have some wort of conspiracy hypothesis regarding Hitler's Table Talk. Can't have evidence disturbing that world view, now, can we?
https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?15876-Boston-Marathon-explosions&p=556859&viewfull=1#post556859
https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?15876-Boston-Marathon-explosions&p=556919&viewfull=1#post556919
https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?15876-Boston-Marathon-explosions&p=557256&viewfull=1#post557256
PearlWatson
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Yeah, he accepts himself as God, not those God(Hitler)-deniers one-upping him on killing more Jews.
The Black Swordsman
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Hitler wasn't an atheist.