Breaking News: Melo Reports to Denver Media Day
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David Stern
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Holy hell, is this the first grade again?
Stifle Tower
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You son of a bitche.
unluckyseventeen
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I come here to see what is going on with the Jazz. I don't understand why so many of you guys have to be such dicks about every little thing you don't like or agree with. I find most of Write4u's posts at least informational when it comes to the Jazz. I guess I just don't get it when it comes to all the crap that is dished out for no reason.
Thanks for your support, Ben. I just want to talk Jazz and I'm sick of all this crap. I've complained to some of the mods and Colton about it. If other people complain, maybe they will do something about it and people can start acting civil again, like it was years ago.
Like I said a long time ago, this mostly started when Deron's fans started posting here, a younger crowd with a lot of attitude. I got on their wrong side when I said that Deron was ignoring AK in the offense and this was one of the reasons for AK's poor play. It's something I still believe and there are others on here who agree with me. What happened was though that Jerry took Deron's side and this forced AK into being a role player. There were others here who recognized this before me. But this I believe is the source of the conflict.
Like I said a long time ago, this mostly started when Deron's fans started posting here, a younger crowd with a lot of attitude. I got on their wrong side when I said that Deron was ignoring AK in the offense and this was one of the reasons for AK's poor play. It's something I still believe and there are others on here who agree with me. What happened was though that Jerry took Deron's side and this forced AK into being a role player. There were others here who recognized this before me. But this I believe is the source of the conflict.
Per chance, are you staring out a mezzanine floor window right now wondering if the black choppers are gonna scoot? Vitri Ole! Ole! Ole! Ole!
footawn
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this whole carmelo trade thing is reminds me of all the speculation around iverson being traded from the sixers a few years back. everyone KNEW where he was going, it was imminent, blah blah blah... and then nothing happened until a year and a half later when he went someplace no one expected.
crymelo to detroit, anyone? =D
crymelo to detroit, anyone? =D
Tom, I have read your stuff and appreciate your contributions here, for those of you who doubt him, he is a bona fide journalist. Now, that being said, are you freaking kidding me!?!? You seriously think that Deron relegated AK to a role player?
I have been a huge AK supporter, but here are a few things that I think most people would agree pushed AK to his current role:
1. AK didn't figure out how to shoot until Horny took him under his wing and is still inconsistent.
2. AK is hurt 25% of the time.
3. AK is about as consistent as your mama when she forgets to take her Metamucil. He's flowing one day and then totally shut out the next.
4. See #1
5. Sloan's offense was never set up to make a star out of a 3. It is designed around a power player getting easy shots and a point guard distributing the ball to open players for easy jumpers (see Harpring and KK who figured out to run that screen and get the ball at the free throw line) AK never really fit that. His best year/years where at the 4 position.
6. His wife has bigger &!lls than he does.
7. He doesn't work hard, reads russian mystery books and that ticks off the teams best player (Deron).
8. Deron is better and deserves to be the focal point.
9. See #1.
The Fresh Prince
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This board reminds me of a very, very bad acid trip.
All your points are valid, RJ, and I agree AK has to take a lot of the blame for not working on his weaknesses, which has been a source of disappointment to a lot of us. But I don't think Jerry helped much when he went through that confused period, but you know Jerry isn't the kind of guy who coddles people so that was to be expected. And yes, Deron is better. But during the period Deron was establishing himself, I really sensed a kind of competition between him and AK, and since Deron had the ball in his hands, he was in the driver's seat. At least, that's how I saw it. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe AK is just a power forward in a shooting forward's body who can't shoot and that is his biggest problem ...
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
So are you saying AK is now "Out?" Who woulda thunk it with that beautiful wife. But I guess that's all for show.
Come to think of it, I do have a colleague at work that keeps changing his hairstyle just like AK has done. It's gone from long to spiked, to shaved, to beach-blonde and now back to short brown. He's been "out" for quite some time now.
Not that it will help your argument any write4u, but I absolutely agree that a year or two back Deron was absolutely freezing out AK from the offense. If he was running a fast break and AK was on one side and CJ on the other, the ball was going to CJ. This might have been because AK was having some trouble finishing plays. In my opinion this stopped last year when AK was playing so well. Deron started trusting that AK was going to finish at the rim and he started looking for him more in the offense. An offensively involved AK is an asset on any team.
Whaaat? Carmelo has made it quite clear that he does not see his future in Denver by not signing the extension. Denver does not want to be another Cleveland or Toronto and get only a trade exception for a star player. Hopefully, DWill will keep Ak heavily involved with the offense. He also plays defense with more intensity when he is a big part of the offense.
ncoloradojazz
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Ak was never going to be a stud on a championship team. If you think that then truely go to a doctor and get yourself checked out. Jerry made ak a role player..lmao....Injuries maybe some plus deron williams is twice the player then ak ever was and deron is just getting better with age and ak is just getting more injured with age. Also if you think dwill was not passing the ball to ak then you are crazy cuz deron is one of the best points in the game.That statement is absurd
Actually Deron said that there were times that he wasn't passing AK the ball. When asked if he was freezing AK out of the offense (because at times it really looked like he was even to the media) this was his reply
https://nba.fanhouse.com/2007/09/22/deron-williams-questions-andrei-kirilenkos-work-ethic/
Williams was having problems with AK's work ethic and thought others were a better option. Just as Write4u said.
Now as for the rest of your post ncolorado. I completely agree. AK was never a player that was going to win you a chip without having a couple of scoring studs to lead the way. But he really could have been a very important piece to that team without the injuries.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
Deron only froze AK out after Kirilenko kept missing shots. Remember how AK claimed he had worked on his game all summer long and came back shooting as poorly as ever? And he came back as skinny as ever. So what was AK working on? Probably his Master's in Russian literature.
AK got to a certain point and was content with where he was at. He was the best player on a below average team. Miller mortgaged the farm and paid him the MAX instead of letting the market set the price. All because Pau Gasol got a MAX contract and Larry H. believed the two were comparable players.
Kirilenko could have been a perennial all-star, but he quit working on his game. And when he didn't improve offensively, the touches went to more efficient scorers. And he pouted, and didn't put forth the same effort on the defensive end as before.
Edit: thanks for finding those quotes, Ben10. I was working on my post when you posted your response. Agree with you 100%.