latin jazz
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This is a forum. I don't need someone to 'ask me' to reply to a public idea posted here, especially if it's something dumb that makes no sense.
Get the concept right or find a more solid argument
**Breaking** Trey Burke being discussed in Trades!!!!
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This is a forum. I don't need someone to 'ask me' to reply to a public idea posted here, especially if it's something dumb that makes no sense.
Get the concept right or find a more solid argument
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Wow!!! A post I understood.
Maneesh
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In the future you must to ask if you want enter conversation I say and make! Never make mistake again.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Maneesh
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Please don't make me embarrass you, Make sure Okay?
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Jamezz
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Oh please, you really think the FO would pull their pants down for an antsy Hayward? Careful what you wish for, jeopardizing what this team is building inductively, developing from within, for what a 2nd option scorer wants would be a very risky move. I'd ship his *** out if it came down to that.
Noomskull
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As long as he didn't publicly request a trade, we could get a nice return for a package including Hayward. But it won't come to that because the Jazz are legit.
If Hayward wanted out and was being shopped around the GMs would know this and the offer would significantly underwhelming ala the Kancer trade.
Jamezz
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Good point, and I think Hayward gets it. It's not a matter of making a splash just because.
Noomskull
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Honestly, I wouldn't. Hayward is a proven NBA player and too many times these top picks just don't work out. With the way the Jazz are able to scout and develop players I think we stay the course and continue to grow from within the organization. Now if Hayward could be packaged for say, John Wall...that's a different story.
Coach Ellis
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My main worry is if Gobert is MAX, Favors is MAX and Hayward is MAX, can we afford to keep Hood and Exum when they become restricted FA?
♪alt13
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We probably can't.
The scenario you laid out would cost around 85 million for those 3. Add 1 million each for the other 12 players and we are at 97 million. The salary cap is expected to be 100 million for the 2017-18 season. We can't pay all those guys max. The question is can we keep them for less.
Stifle Tower
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No we cannot and I've posted the numbers in a couple of threads.
Now if each would leave money on the table, then we can keep those three PLUS Hood and Exum, Will have to let Burks go, but would have a bench of Lyles, three future 1st round picks (2016 + two in 2017), perhaps Neto and another cheap vet like Withey.
alt13,
You have to also consider the space between the cap and the tax which is generally between $15-$20M. By '18/'19, the cap SHOULD be over $100M and the tax threshold might be around $120M.
So, let assume all take less:
(Hayward $25M, Gobert, Favors and Hood $20M and Exum $15) = $100M
Lyles and 3 1st round picks (average of $2M each) = $8M
That's 8 players at $108M, leaving $12M for 5 additional players, Could add Neto and another cheaper vet. But also have to consider that the 5 main salaries are low estimates. Those five could EASILY be $120M if no one is willing to give Utah a 'hometown" discount,
This is what I don't like about the payroll scheme.
Jazz have built a great team almost entirely through the draft and will be punished for this down the road.
The league should reward teams that build such teams and allow them to keep all drafted players by some form of compensation.
This would create some form of parity and might level the playing field for those who might never get a top ten player.
OKC had to trade away Harden when they didn't need to. They could have won 1-2 Championships by now had they not have to do that.
I'm not holding my breath that any of our future MAX guys would be wiling to take less to stay on the team. Hayward surely isn't going to do that and he's the leader of this team so if he doesn't, then I don't have high hopes of Favors and Gobert following suits.
This is what is so great about the Spurs, Duncan is absolutely a MAX player but correct me if I'm wrong, he was willing to sign for less than MAX to keep a Championship team together. I believe Dirk also signed for less than MAX if I'm not mistaken to keep themselves in contention.
Hayward needs to set an example when his contract negotiation comes up and take less than MAX to show he believes in this team so that Favors and Gobert would do the same and keep this team competitive.
