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gregbroncs said:
Part of the problem with Taysom is that he is never healthy. There was a time I'd take that guy at USU over either of them but he has the same problem as Taysom. As for healthy Taysom over Healthy Wilson I think it's far closer than people want to admit. Wilson had no advantages, 4 different OC's, and a conservative coach that won't run a modern offense or even a real offense, that also moves all of the athleticism to the defensive side of the ball.
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A season of healthy taysom is guaranteed to be drafted in the nfl. Hell even always injured taysom who just missed the whole season has a chance at the nfl simply due to measurables. (Size, speed, strength, athleticism)

Do you think Wilson gets drafted even after a full healthy season in which the utes had their best year in the pac12 and reached a #3 ranking? I don't.

I think it's not close at all.
Healthy taysom is a heisman contender and surefire nfl draft pick despite playing for a team that doesn't get any heisman players or nfl guys.

Healthy wilson with his team playing their best football is nowhere near the heisman discussion and very unlikely to be drafted.

I think this is one of those agree to disagree things I guess
 
fishonjazz said:
A season of healthy taysom is guaranteed to be drafted in the nfl. Hell even always injured taysom who just missed the whole season has a chance at the nfl simply due to measurables. (Size, speed, strength, athleticism)

Do you think Wilson gets drafted even after a full healthy season in which the utes had their best year in the pac12 and reached a #3 ranking? I don't.

I think it's not close at all.
Healthy taysom is a heisman contender and surefire nfl draft pick despite playing for a team that doesn't get any heisman players or nfl guys.

Healthy wilson with his team playing their best football is nowhere near the heisman discussion and very unlikely to be drafted.

I think this is one of those agree to disagree things I guess
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No Taysom wouldn't be guaranteed at all. He doesn't throw the ball well enough to guarantee that.
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No Travis won't be drafted. He may get a look as UDFA but I doubt that. I put that on coaches though, coming out of high school he was highly regarded, he wasn't developed properly and he had horrible OC/HC for a QB.
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I think Taysom is overrated especially at passing. He an athletic freak, But as a QB I don't think he fits the NFL and there is no way he is a sure fire draft pick. He would have been in the Heisman voting but that is because of his legs more than his arm.
 
gregbroncs said:
No Taysom wouldn't be guaranteed at all. He doesn't throw the ball well enough to guarantee that.
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No Travis won't be drafted. He may get a look as UDFA but I doubt that. I put that on coaches though, coming out of high school he was highly regarded, he wasn't developed properly and he had horrible OC/HC for a QB.
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I think Taysom is overrated especially at passing. He an athletic freak, But as a QB I don't think he fits the NFL and there is no way he is a sure fire draft pick. He would have been in the Heisman voting but that is because of his legs more than his arm.
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We just aren't going to see eye to eye on this one I guess. Agree to disagree
 
Taysom was carving up nebraska in the passing game before he got hurt, dude has just as good of an arm as his legs...
 
fishonjazz said:
We just aren't going to see eye to eye on this one I guess. Agree to disagree
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He has less than a 2:1 TD:INT ratio for his career and a terrible completion percentage in the one year he actually played a decent amount.

I guess you could argue if he could have stayed healthy, he would have improved enough in the passing game to get drafted, but if he had just maintained numbers he was putting up when he played, no way he gets drafted as a QB.
 
Fish has his homer glasses on to think that healthy Taysom is that much better than Wilson. They are both disappointing and best to be forgotten.
 
b_line said:
Fish has his homer glasses on to think that healthy Taysom is that much better than Wilson. They are both disappointing and best to be forgotten.
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I disagree. One was in the conversation for heisman. The other was not. Even though taysom played for a lowly non p5 conference team with non p5 conference talent around him. I mean he was throwing to non p5 receivers, handing off to non p5 running backs and having non p5 o-lineman block for him yet still was allot higher thought of nationally.

As for the nfl.... Im just the messenger. I hear broadcast announcers talking about taysom coming back to byu, transferring, or going for the nfl as his options even after missing the whole year with an injury.
Wilson in the nfl? Lololol. Read posts from ute fans sometime. They are always talking about how if the utes had a decent qb that they would be so much better.

Game after game ute fans talk **** about wilson then taysom gets mentioned and suddenly ute fans think Wilson is good again.

I'm not the one being a homer here.
 
b_line said:
Fish has his homer glasses on to think that healthy Taysom is that much better than Wilson. They are both disappointing and best to be forgotten.
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Also, ute fans are happy to see Wilson go and are looking forward to not having him around. Sounds like a really good qb

Byu fans have a really good qb already on the team currently and yet would welcome taysom back still.
 
b_line said:
Fish has his homer glasses on to think that healthy Taysom is that much better than Wilson. They are both disappointing and best to be forgotten.
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One more thing. Note the avatar of the poster below. Does he have hoods byu homer glasses on too
tfivas said:
Taysom was carving up nebraska in the passing game before he got hurt, dude has just as good of an arm as his legs...
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Again, the utes had their best season yet, a fantastic defense, a superstar running back, were ranked #3 overall and still wilson is not wanted by the nfl..... He isn't even wanted by ute fans. What a stud
 
Ask any byu fan what they think of taysom and they will tell he is a badass mother ****er..... Without the cussing. And before you say that is just because they are homers, let me remind you that we all HATED riley nelson
 
Here is link to a draft prospect ranking list. You can filter it to show the qb position only.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...nkings/2016/QB

Taysom Hill is a 25 year old who missed amost 3 years due to injury, travis wilson just came off a healthy season on his best team that he ever played for and yet he is still ranked 157 spots (overall) behind taysom hill and 8 spots behind taysom in the qb rankings.

Im quite certain that a healthy taysom hill would be ranked quite a bit higher than he is.

An AFC director of scouting believes BYU senior QB Taysom Hill (foot) has NFL potential.
"I was doing some background work on Taysom Hill and other BYU prospects the other day and, man, that guy is a player," he said. "I had never really looked at him very closely, but he had pro size and a pro arm." Hill suffered a season-ending Lisfranc injury in September. The scout isn't alone in this opinion. NFL.com's Lance Zierlein wrote that Hill has "NFL size, good arm strength, underrated touch and above-average athleticism." Hill has suffered season-ending injuries in three of his four years on campus. Hill could either rehabilitate his stock by returning to school, jump to the NFL and hope for the best, or retire from the sport. He reportedly has a cushy job offer in hand.
Damn those injuries.

Thoughts on Wilson from the same page: Utah senior QB Travis Wilson "comes with upside but needs work from the ground up," TFY Draft Insider Tony Pauline observes.
"For a signal caller that looks the part, more often than not Wilson doesn’t play to it. Measuring 6-feet/7-inches and 220lbs with a decent arm, Wilson throws with inconsistent mechanics and makes questionable decisions," Pauline writes. The Utah signal caller has had an up and down year for the Utes, completing 62.4% of his passes for 2,024 yards with a 13/10 TD/INT ratio on the season.
 
Like I said, if Hill never got injured and was able to work and improve for an entire season/off-season every year, there is a shot he would have improved enough to get drafted.

If you take the numbers throughout his career and just extrapolate them for an entire 4 years, I dont think he is good enough.

Chances are he would have improved though if he could have always been healthy. Dak Prescott made huge strides every year, and wasn't really taken seriously as a NFL prospect when he first became a starter, now he is a projected 3rd-5th rounder. It would have been hard to do that if he had gotten injured every year, so Fish does have a point and it isn't fair to jump on him when he says that Hill would have been drafted if he had stayed healthy.
 
Haven't read this whole thread but from what I've read are we really trying to compare taysom and travis talent wise? It's not close, Taysoms injury concerns are what they are but when healthy taysom is a legit top 3 qb in the country imo....
 
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