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Build Around Gobert and DM Thread

Catchall said:
I said a top 15 PG. Of course you want your PG to be above average. And one dunk doesn't prove he's an above average athlete in the league.
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And you saying he isnt a good athlete doesn't prove he isn't a good athlete. The BS you are spewing sounds like the stuff we heard about George Hill before he got to Utah.


But please, keep telling me how a 2nd year PG averaging 15 and 5 w/ 45% 3pt shooting is not a difference maker.


And dont move the goalpost, this is what you said: "Brogdon is not a difference-maker one way or another."
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
So he's an average/below average starter at his position... who has trouble staying healthy and has some anxiety issues. He's older and had a good amount of experience so I think a big leap is likely not in the cards. He may get a little better.

If that was it I think I could be okay but you add in the inconsistency and I'm not sure that is a guy you can plan around.

He's a fine player but kind of replaceable and if I could get an asset like a first rounder that could turn into something bigger and free up the salary we'd be paying him and allocate it elsewhere I would probably do it.

I'm not hell bent on keeping the guy when he gets expensive because we drafted him... if there weren't good offers for him then you keep him and do your best to sign him to a deal.
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Trading Hood would be a large mistake. Just because he looks bad playing in a role that he doesnt excel at doesnt mean he is bad. The idea that a first round > Hood is laughable and a sign this board is way too reactionary.

You put Hood with a more dominant penetrator, something he has never had in Utah, and he looks much better. And don't a lot of people here think Mitchell is destined to be that?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Trading Hood would be a large mistake. Just because he looks bad playing in a role that he doesnt excel at doesnt mean he is bad. The idea that a first round > Hood is laughable and a sign this board is way too reactionary.

You put Hood with a more dominant penetrator, something he has never had in Utah, and he looks much better. And don't a lot of people here think Mitchell is destined to be that?
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No way? Serious.

Mitchell's first step is not as quick as Exum. Mitchell has excellent footwork and has that spin move and stop on a dime thingy... But he mainly blows by bigs when they are switched on him and uses the picks to get off longer athletic guards. And when he does penetrate deep - he will continue to struggle to finish cause he is 'small'. When players stop biting on his moves, he will get challenged near the rim.

Exum doesn't need anyone or anything to penetrate deep.

Man - you bailed on Exum too quick. He is the guy you're talking about.

Mitchell is a way bigger upgrade over Hood!
 
Mitchell can change speeds. That seems to be how elite athletic skill. It's a huge deal. That and he his length
 
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I wonder how likely it is that Orlando would be willing to trade Aaron Gordon once he comes back down to earth.. he seems like the type of player that would fit in perfectly with our team right now.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I think he is a stud, but not a go-to 1st option scorer. He has a game "glue" type game, but with length and athletic ability. Just from a physical standpoint it's really reminiscent of watching AK attack the basket where it's just freaky looking given how long and fluid he is and the way he just extends around the rim. Maybe he figures it out though and becomes a big time scorer though, who knows, it's in the cards.

I just don't see the Lakers doing anything that rash revolving around Kuzma or Ingram. They will try to leverage Randle and Clarkson to get rid of Deng, and I like neither of those dudes.
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You're way higher on Hood than most. I'm beginning to think he's a bench scorer at best. He's not a defender or a play maker for other's, he doesn't finish that well off of his own dribble and he forces more bad shots than Mitchel does. Of the guys in our starting lineup that Mitchel may replace I see Hood as the most likely. He's just not that good and way too inconsistent and unreliable to think he'll ever be more than a bench scorer on a playoff team.
 
cowhide said:
Hood has the most trade value of the players i would want to trade. My biggest problem with Hood is he is inconsistent and when his shot doesn't fall he really doesn't contribute in other ways. I still like him but if there is a deal which allows the Jazz to improve than I would trade him.
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This is why he should be a backup. He doesn't do anything but score for a team. If he's not hitting his shot he's virtually worthless on the court. And he's way to inconsistent to be relied upon as a starting SG for a good team. JR Smith is his likely best case scenario. And that only works on a team with a couple of great players to make up for his deficiencies.
 
David Stern said:
I wonder how likely it is that Orlando would be willing to trade Aaron Gordon once he comes back down to earth.. he seems like the type of player that would fit in perfectly with our team right now.
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So would Orlando be willing to trade us Gordon when he reverted to being simply a dunk guy? Why would Jazz want him if that is what he reverted to?

ps I get what you mean though
 
If the bucks have a need it's to lower their cap and to surround Giannis with shooters. Hood would do really well I. Milwuakee. He makes sense because he is such a nice complimentary player.

If we do offer jabari a contract that they didnt want to Match, I would imagine that they would counter by offering good a contract for less than we did for jabari. Hood is a better match with Giannis and jabari meets our needs as a scorer and a stretch four in a small lineup, and all star potential.

All that said, I doubt either gets traded before the end of the year.
 
I'm not picking Bledsoe over Brogdon, but there is a reason the Bucks have shown a ton of interest in Bledsoe since he has been available. They want both.

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I like the Parker fit as well but regardless of the target, all non-Gobert/Mitchell assets (aside from Exum, due to his current talent vs value ratio) should be condensed for that 3rd impact player.

As the op stated, Gobert& Mitchell are clearly the future. Rubio, Hood, Ingles, & Favors all bring value to this team but imo we need to focus on collecting as much potential impact talent now & worry about replacing complimentary pieces later, once the foundation has been built.

Because, currently, imo we're at least 1 elite piece away from that potential championship foundation.
 
Okay, so the Bledsoe deal means Parker is off the table until the summer when we could try to sign him. So I will move on for now...

The next best deals for our ideal 4 are:

Julius Randle (will LA keep him, pay him and lose out on PG or LeBron?)

Kuzma - highly unlikely but if they can move Deng and like Ingram more, it might be conceivable.

Jae Crowder - the Cavs are known for knee jerk reactions. Maybe Favors and Joe Johnson get it done for Jae and somebody like Shumpert.

Mirotic or Portis - shot in the dark, but maybe Chicago moves one for a minor asset like a 2nd.



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Et tu Brute said:
I would have thought changes of speed are what average-good athletes use to keep elite athletes off balance.
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Harden can change speeds faster than most in the NBA, and it's his big skill. Not saying Mitchell is harden, but that skill is a huge difference from other athletes.
 
Let's just go get Anthony Davis. Davis+Gobert+Mitchell = rings!!
 
LogGrad98 said:
Let's just go get Anthony Davis. Davis+Gobert+Mitchell = rings!!
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We just need another home run in the draft, and it's really not that far out of the question at this point, with DL's drafting history. We could legitimately build a starting five out of his draftees if we had landed Kuzma and Exum wasn't injured.
 
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