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Bulls looking to trade Korver.

Korver is expiring this year, and even that is only guaranteed for half a million. As for holding a grudge, I couldn't say for sure about Greg, but I have no doubt, whatsoever, that KOC would let bygones be bygones, if it meant improving the team. At least in this case.

As for the rest of your post, it's pretty clear that your opinion is clouded by your grudge. There are a lot of teams that would love to have Korver as a sharpshooter off the bench. You'll have to let me know when teams start knocking on Ahearn's door.
Yes, it is clouded by my grudge, I'll freely admit that.
But if Korver is so highly valued, why are the Bulls looking to dump him? It sounds like Chicago wants to have $ available to sign Tolliver, not take salary back for Korver.

And again, are we contending this season? Will Korver put us over the top?
Korver is not going to be happy with DNP's. He won't be happy getting 5-10 mins. He's like having a Howard or Raja (or CJ) on the team. He'll expect minutes and you'll need to slice into the playing time of others to get them. Personally, I'm thrilled we finally have a LEGIT SF to match-up against others on the defensive end. I want to see Marvin get his 30 mins. Hayward got 30 mins/per last season. He'll get at least the same this year. So that leaves Burks. Do you play Kyle 15 and limit Alec to 20 mins? Oh yeah, I forgot. Alec is going to be our backup PG. Problem solved. Move on over so I can hop on the Korver bandwagon!
 
Burks, Hayward, Murphy, Mo in some sets possibly, aaaaaaaaaaannnnddd Korver. Because that's what we need. Our past taking time away from guys who are our future. Brilliant. Because it worked so well the first time.

I understand what you're saying but Jazz need another body. If one of the vets go down this group will get thin in an awful hurry. And Murphy will be asked to play regular NBA minutes - I'm not quite sure that is something he's ready or able to do.

Jazz need another body in the back court. There is no doubt about it. Whether or not Korver should be that guy is another story. Although I do know Korver is a legitimate zone buster - and The Jazz have historically sucked against the zone.
 
I think Jazzfanz underrates Korver because they're jealous that he's such a pretty boy and all the girls like him. While he's not an All-Star, he's a solid player who in my opinion made up for his lack of athleticism on the defensive end with good position, hustle, and smart play. His biggest liability was putting the ball on the floor, but he makes up for that with his shooting. We could use a spot-up shooter to come off the bench and that would be his role. I'd go for him.
 
Yes, it is clouded by my grudge, I'll freely admit that.
But if Korver is so highly valued, why are the Bulls looking to dump him? It sounds like Chicago wants to have $ available to sign Tolliver, not take salary back for Korver.

Because their best player who just signed a max deal may very well not play next year.

I think The Bulls are looking to shave salary in anticipation of having a mediocre season.
 
No reason whatsoever for any grudge with KK and I am sure no one in the Jazz organization has one. Furthermore, if we had known Wes was bolting town I am sure we would have tried to keep him at the time he signed with the bulls. As for trading for him, the only asset we would give up is a PG and we can only do that if we think Burks can play some PG. I don't think the odds of that are high.
 
Anybody who still has a grudge with Korver needs to get over it. This is a no brainer.

-Expires this year, thus allowing Utah to maintain their 2013 cap flexibility
-Most of his 2012 salary is non-guaranteed
-If the Jazz plan on making a run in 2012 with the roster they currently have (meaning no Jefferson or Millsap trade), Korver is EXACTLY what they need.

Mo Williams, Marvin Williams, and Kyle Korver added to what Utah is bringing back makes for a very well rounded team. Wouldn't be suprised to see that squad contend for a 4 seed and home court in round 1.
 
I understand what you're saying but Jazz need another body. If one of the vets go down this group will get thin in an awful hurry. And Murphy will be asked to play regular NBA minutes - I'm not quite sure that is something he's ready or able to do.

Jazz need another body in the back court. There is no doubt about it. Whether or not Korver should be that guy is another story. Although I do know Korver is a legitimate zone buster - and The Jazz have historically sucked against the zone.

I disagree. We have two vets who could start (Burks, Hayward) at the 2, and Murphy and Mo who can fill in as needed. At the 3, we have 3 guys who can start and have (Williams, Carroll, Millsap) along with Evans who can play some minutes there. If someone like Hayward goes down, thus forcing Burks and Williams to start, we still have Carroll, Murphy, Millsap and Mo to fill in the backup minutes. We also can bring someone up from the D-league. But if we sign Korver just to sit here, I don't like it. And if we sign him and someone gets injured, and he gets time, I don't like it because it takes developmental time away from Murphy, Carroll, and heck, even Millsap at the 3 to see how that goes on a semi-longer term basis.

When getting a guy like Korver, you're hoping to get a guy to be the Steve Kerr for your title run. Or you're extremely, extremely thin on the wings and can get him on the cheap. Or you're thin on the wings and you need him to be your 3rd or 4th one. We're none of those teams. We have Burks, Hayward, and Williams who undoubtedly should see major minutes ahead of KK. I would also argue that Murphy should as well so we can see what we have there.
 
All I know is I don't want to go into next season with Carroll/Murphy at the backup 3. And I especially don't want to be in a situation where they both have to play every night because one of the Hayward/Burks/Marvin contingent gets hurt. So Korver would have been fine in my book, but plenty of other guys can fill that space.
 
Hayward can play the three too. Jazz have plenty of depth except maybe at PG. Jazz fanz just can't let go of their players. How many threads have been started about wanting a former Jazz player back? Mikki Moore, DW, Wes Matthews, Brewer, Raja, AK, and now Korver. People keep stating reasons why Korver has been traded or is about to be released. The real answer is that Korver is just an average NBA player who has shown that during the playoffs he isn't that great of a shooter. He hustles on defense but is still average. I am happy with the roster but if I was going to make any additions I would trade Watson for a backup PG.
 
All I know is I don't want to go into next season with Carroll/Murphy at the backup 3. And I especially don't want to be in a situation where they both have to play every night because one of the Hayward/Burks/Marvin contingent gets hurt. So Korver would have been fine in my book, but plenty of other guys can fill that space.
So first we want Burks to get a lot of PT, now we want to sign a veteran and, as a result, see his time cut.

Carroll/Murphy is NOT the backup 3. Hayward is (or Williams) depending on who starts. Millsap would also play some 3 if someone got hurt. Just like Brewer was the starting SG and backup SF in the Brewer, Miles, AK rotation.

There were so many who whined back in the Sloan days when he'd send in some old veteran instead of giving minutes to the young players. We used to scream on this board that the rookies weren't as good as the vets YET, but if Jerry would just play them, they'd be able to contribute at the end of the season. And now some are proposing we give time to some retread? I'd rather see KOC go out and sign the best player from the D-League if/when there is an injury. Or why don't we just keep Raja? Promise him 15 mins. There, problem solved. Better yet, is CJ STILL available? He can back up the 2 AND 3!
 
So first we want Burks to get a lot of PT, now we want to sign a veteran and, as a result, see his time cut.

Carroll/Murphy is NOT the backup 3. Hayward is (or Williams) depending on who starts. Millsap would also play some 3 if someone got hurt. Just like Brewer was the starting SG and backup SF in the Brewer, Miles, AK rotation.

There were so many who whined back in the Sloan days when he'd send in some old veteran instead of giving minutes to the young players. We used to scream on this board that the rookies weren't as good as the vets YET, but if Jerry would just play them, they'd be able to contribute at the end of the season. And now some are proposing we give time to some retread? I'd rather see KOC go out and sign the best player from the D-League if/when there is an injury. Or why don't we just keep Raja? Promise him 15 mins. There, problem solved. Better yet, is CJ STILL available? He can back up the 2 AND 3!

Burks is not going to start. And Ty is not going to give Hayward/Marvin/Burks 30 and another guy 6. We're going to have a rotation. So somebody is going to be playing the backup 3 behind Williams, and that guy is going to get around 20 minutes a game. I'm not advocating anything, that's just the way it works.
 
But if Korver is so highly valued, why are the Bulls looking to dump him?


Bulls Dismantling Vital 'Bench Mob'
The Chicago Bulls entered the offseason with one of the best benches in the NBA, but it has incrementally been dismantled over the past two weeks. Piece by piece, the reserves that were a major component of the team with the best overall record over the past two seasons have been taken apart. The Bulls’ self-proclaimed “Bench Mob” has seen several players depart to satisfy their ongoing salary cap quandary.

After parting ways with C.J. Watson and Ronnie Brewer earlier in the week, the Bulls reportedly traded Kyle Korver to the Atlanta Hawks for potentially a second-round draft pick from the Minnesota Timberwolves and/or a traded player exception. The deal is still pending a passed physical and Hawks general manager Danny Ferry said Friday on NBA TV that it has not yet been consummated. Korver’s contract was not fully guaranteed for next season at $5 million but held a $500,000 buyout, a price the Bulls won’t have to pay now.

For Chicago, the move accomplished exactly what the organization has seemingly set out to do this summer: Cut costs – even if it means cutting ties with contributing players. The Bulls continue to act like the NBA's big market team with small market budgetary concerns.

Despite the fact that Korver was far and away the Bulls’ best pure shooter, there had been a dwindling belief that he would remain with the team. Among the trio of Brewer, Korver and Watson, Korver had the best chance and best reason to stick around. But for a franchise trying its hardest to either stay under the luxury tax or take as small of a tax hit as possible, he became expendable.

Days earlier, the Bulls declined the team option on Watson and waived Brewer, whose $4.37 million contract for next season was fully non-guaranteed. Watson will no longer fill the role as Derrick Rose’s backup and Brewer won't serve as the versatile swingman who started 43 games a season ago. In their respective places will be Kirk Hinrich and Jimmy Butler. Still, the team’s biggest loss for now is Korver.

Top to bottom, Bulls players – especially Rose – loved having Korver on the court. He commanded such a presence spreading the floor and creating room for teammates. As Tom Thibodeau repeatedly stressed, even when Korver wasn’t making shots he still demanded attention and assured that the opposing defense had to be on-point in its rotations.

Mostly, Korver was the perfect shooting counter to Rose’s drive-and-kick game, the ideal fit next to a point guard who dictates so much defensive attention himself. Rose had the ultimate trust in Korver, often referring to the sharpshooter as a closer who “could definitely put the game away.” Spending two seasons under the ever-demanding Thibodeau admittedly elevated Korver’s value on both ends of the court as well.

Korver’s two-year stint with the Bulls did leave some more to be desired. While he averaged 8.2 points on 42.5 percent shooting from three-point range, his production dropped tremendously when it mattered most in the playoffs, with his knock-down stroke regressing once defenses honed in on him.

Nevertheless, as the case will continue to be throughout the offseason, and probably next summer as well, so much has been affected by Rose’s torn ACL. Korver is the latest example of a player whose future with the Bulls was impacted by the Rose situation. Within the Bulls’ organization it has to be wholeheartedly believed that Korver would have finished out the final season of his three-year deal had Rose been healthy. Instead, Rose is slated to miss a significant portion of next season and his absence made it more palatable for the Bulls to relieve themselves of Korver’s contract.

With the departure of three valuable reserves, the Bulls’ depth will absolutely take a severe hit. No matter the night or opponent, Thibodeau consistently showed trust in his reserves, and it paid off with a mix of shooting and constant energy more often than not. When the Bulls dealt with consistent injury issues last season, it was the bench group that kept the team in so many games – a perfect cast of unselfish, understanding characters who embraced their roles.

“Our bench is as deep as when I was with the ‘04 Pistons,” Mike James told me in late April. “We are just as strong and just as good when the starters were out of the game. There are never any letdowns.”

The trade of Korver has also opened up a roster spot that must be filled with shooting. Even with Korver, the Bulls’ major need was another player or two who would spread the court. Over the past couple weeks, they have been linked to free agent Michael Redd. Redd resurrected his career a season ago with the Phoenix Suns, but still has knee worries and is far from his former lead-scorer self.

But the Bulls have other issues on their docket as well, starting with whether to match the three-year, $25 million offer sheet Omer Asik will soon officially sign with the Houston Rockets. In spite of the fact that unrestricted free agent John Lucas III is seeking a multi-year deal and a larger role, Bulls management has remained in touch with his camp regarding him returning on a one-year contract worth the veteran’s minimum. Lucas is still open to coming back, but he knows the Bulls are highly unlikely to budge and could very well end up with the Washington Wizards. Chicago is also working toward signing Taj Gibson to an extension, as the forward will become a restricted free agent next offseason.

Even so, the financial logistics are taking their toll on the Bulls. General manager Gar Forman said last week that he and the rest of the front office would make basketball moves, not financial ones, but make no mistake: Trading Korver removes the team’s lone pure shooter while providing cap flexibility in the process. Rather than being contenders for big-name additions this summer, the Bulls now have just the veteran’s minimum to offer and could have the mid-level exception at their disposal if they elect to not match Asik’s deal.

Just three months ago, it seemed like the Bulls had all the ingredients to make a deep playoff run. Championship aspirations were engraved into their minds on a daily basis, and they finally appeared fully healthy and capable. All those hopes have now been dashed. Rose is now out indefinitely and the strong bench that was better than the starters on some nights last season is being disassembled.



Read more: https://basketball.realgm.com/article/222343/Bulls_Dismantling_Vital_Bench_Mob#ixzz20jxDhPs0
 
Korver's worthless.

He cannot create off the dribble, is a horrible defender, is a liability offensively and defensively since he's soooo 1 dimensional (cannot defend and cannot do anything other than chuck up 3s), and has an ugly contract.

And he's a candyass

No thank you.
 
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I would definatly welcome him back. He would add more outside shooting and increase our depth. I also like him spreading the offense for the big guys down low. Jefferson has been a much better passer and Korver could get some wide open looks.

Thoughts?

.....if we can get him on the cheap, do it! At the very least, we can insert him in the game when we have the lead down the stretch and the opposition has to foul us! He hardly ever misses a foul shot, right?
 
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