Bully-ing

[DutchJazzer]

There is a family that moved into our neighborhood last year from England. I just learned last Sunday that their only daughter (10 year old 5th grader) was getting bullied at school. Apparently some little bitch doesn't like her accent and has taken it upon herself to make her life here hell. The girl from England is very petite and small for her age so roughing up the bully isn't an option. Two weeks ago the bully took her and cut her bangs (spelling?) down to her scalp and cut the back of her hair also. The whole neighborhood is doing all we can to let these nice people know that this kind of **** is not tolerated in our school.

thats horrible that is clearly taking it to far.
back in the day parents of the victim could take on the bully. but nowadays it's a crime to punish other peoples children.
i remember this story of a friend who got bullied his father came
and said who bullied you and he said 1 guy and his 2 friends but they where a few grades higher. so he told him lets get two frineds of yours. so they got 2 friends.
the guys knew where the bullies hanged
so the father drove them over.
he stepped out of the car. went to sit on the hood. told his son go ahead beat them up.
so 3 little guys beat up the bullies. the bullies dare not do something back. because an adult was standing there. the bullies never ever dared do something again.

but nowadays this kind of justice is in someway "morally wrong" and illegal. kids(bullies) now it lost all respect to adults.

in my experience and those from personal friends is jsut to take on the bullies head on.
i have/had kinda pointy ears over the years they rounded out a bit. i was called spock/captain spock. got teased to hell and back but i never let it bother me. people made jokes like you where a baby your parents didn't have towels so after a bath they had to hang you by your ears(pretty funny) but i never let it bother me. till someday in the schoolbus one boy decided to take it to another level and pull my ears, well i kicked the **** out of him. never ever did he opr others bother me again about my ears(sure behind my back they did it).

 

[DutchJazzer]

That is an argument you can make, but I don't think she is better off for having been bullied. She wishes it had never happened. It is a dark spot on her childhood that she has to live with now for the rest of her life. I believe that these experiences can and do make people stronger, or at least more cynical and less trusting, which is often mistaken for "strength". She may turn it to her benefit in the long run, but I do not by any stretch believe she is any better of a person, or will have any better of a life, than she would have been had she never had to endure that.

I mean that argument can go pretty far down a dark path. Is a rape victim stronger because of the assault? Does it make it ok then, or even good that it happened? I don't think anyone would argue that, but the two experiences are cut from the same cloth, a case of one person exercising control and power over another. If we are going to have that discussion, where do we draw that blurry line?

you are right in some way kinda still disagree since raping and bullying are worlds apart.
but bullying teaches kids either to just
1.Ignore it(sometimes hard and it worked for me till one bully decided to take it to the next level and make it physcical)
2. or to deal with it eg fight back.

not to knock on the way you bring up your children but i could tell anything to my parents.
even bad stuff we did there was some kind of amnesty clause. after some time you can just talk at the dinner table about all of the bad stuff you did a while ago. without punishment.
in other words maybe try to let your daughter be more open to you. it might be harder than you think.

also society nowadays it's all about "looks", instead of inner beauty.

also it's not bullying who changed got worse. it's society, in a way society gave bullies more power.

 

[freakazoid]

Two weeks ago the bully took her and cut her bangs (spelling?) down to her scalp and cut the back of her hair also.

Now that's just evil.

Sometimes I think it's the girls who can be the most ruthless little **** wads.

 

[moevillini]

I will say this, girls tend to be more devious. Boys tend to resort to more name calling and physical bullying. I think both use "exclusion" as a form of bullying pretty equally.


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[Hipporippo]

To the OP,

You think bullying is okay because it is using ones strength to punish or torment or exert dominion over someone who lacks that strength... just like in real life.

Well, in real life your boss has power over you. Your government has power over you. Even your generic local police officer has power over you. Would you be okay with them tormenting you for no other purpose than that they can...that it makes them feel better? It is the way of nature--right? That means that whatever race or religion or political party has the most power at the moment is justified in treating outsiders without respect or decency.

In Hitler's Germany, you are one of the masses who would have joined the party. You would probably have been a very high-ranking member of the SSS. But, hey it is justified evolutionarily. Who cares about anyone else if all is well in your world.

 

[Hipporippo]

If your local cop just didn't like the way your face looked and pulled you over at every opportunity, came by your house, or just told everyone that you were a sex offender, you would probably sue the *******.

How is that different from some punk kid grabbing your kid in the hallway or spreading rumors that your daughter is a slut? Part of the REAL WORLD is learning how behave in a society. And, those bullies are the ones who need to be taught the lesson...one that you apparently never learned.

 

[DutchJazzer]

To the OP,

You think bullying is okay because it is using ones strength to punish or torment or exert dominion over someone who lacks that strength... just like in real life.

Well, in real life your boss has power over you. Your government has power over you. Even your generic local police officer has power over you. Would you be okay with them tormenting you for no other purpose than that they can...that it makes them feel better? It is the way of nature--right? That means that whatever race or religion or political party has the most power at the moment is justified in treating outsiders without respect or decency.

In Hitler's Germany, you are one of the masses who would have joined the party. You would probably have been a very high-ranking member of the SSS. But, hey it is justified evolutionarily. Who cares about anyone else if all is well in your world.

back off man. geez. this is just a discussion why do you have to make it personal. if you want to make it personal see rep

 

[DutchJazzer]

If your local cop just didn't like the way your face looked and pulled you over at every opportunity, came by your house, or just told everyone that you were a sex offender, you would probably sue the *******.

How is that different from some punk kid grabbing your kid in the hallway or spreading rumors that your daughter is a slut? Part of the REAL WORLD is learning how behave in a society. And, those bullies are the ones who need to be taught the lesson...one that you apparently never learned.

okay.

 

[DutchJazzer]

i wa shoping for a civil maybe philosophical discusion but thanks for attacking me

 

[DutchJazzer]

To the OP,

You think bullying is okay because it is using ones strength to punish or torment or exert dominion over someone who lacks that strength... just like in real life.

surviving bully attacks takes strength than being a bully but you clearly misunderstand his thread and my oppinion

 

[moevillini]

To the OP,

You think bullying is okay because it is using ones strength to punish or torment or exert dominion over someone who lacks that strength... just like in real life.

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In Hitler's Germany, you are one of the masses who would have joined the party. You would probably have been a very high-ranking member of the SSS. But, hey it is justified evolutionarily. Who cares about anyone else if all is well in your world.

actually in Germany during that time, the OP would've been one of those sent to a prison camp and possibly the gas chamber. you know, wearing a patch with a yellow star of David...

 

[moevillini]

...back in the day parents of the victim could take on the bully. but nowadays it's a crime to punish other peoples children.
i remember this story of a friend who got bullied his father came
and said who bullied you and he said 1 guy and his 2 friends but they where a few grades higher. so he told him lets get two frineds of yours. so they got 2 friends.
the guys knew where the bullies hanged
so the father drove them over.
he stepped out of the car. went to sit on the hood. told his son go ahead beat them up.
so 3 little guys beat up the bullies. the bullies dare not do something back. because an adult was standing there. the bullies never ever dared do something again.

but nowadays this kind of justice is in someway "morally wrong" and illegal. kids(bullies) now it lost all respect to adults.

in my experience and those from personal friends is jsut to take on the bullies head on.
i have/had kinda pointy ears over the years they rounded out a bit. i was called spock/captain spock. got teased to hell and back but i never let it bother me. people made jokes like you where a baby your parents didn't have towels so after a bath they had to hang you by your ears(pretty funny) but i never let it bother me. till someday in the schoolbus one boy decided to take it to another level and pull my ears, well i kicked the **** out of him. never ever did he opr others bother me again about my ears(sure behind my back they did it).

yeah, that might work in some situations, but many times all it does is escalate the level of bullying and violence. Certainly not a good outcome there...

 

[DutchJazzer]

yeah, that might work in some situations, but many times all it does is escalate the level of bullying and violence. Certainly not a good outcome there...

thats why i said: in my experience and those from personal friends is jsut to take on the bullies head on.

just bullies are weak and by this tactic they realise that the "victim" is stronger.
the beat up the bullies also gave my friend and the victims much needed confidence.
he was about 7 years old when that happened and he thought he beat them all on his own power. not knowing the bullies weren't really doing anything back because his father was standing there.

but yeah cultures differ everyone differs so it might go the other way around.

 

[Hipporippo]

Go back and read the OP's post. It is insanely out of touch with good citizenship, good parenting, or being a good person. I can't understand why more people aren't as insensed as I am. When did the golden rule become so unpopular?

The comment about Nazi Germany was only, in part, meant as an attack on your character. I truly believe that most people here would join the party just as most people in Germany did. All it takes is a culture of contempt, blame, and selfishness. The idea that it would be okay for one person to trample on the rights of another because it "will make them stronger" is ABSOLUTELY CRAZY.

Again, would it be okay to say that the KKK "picking on" the blacks should be okay because those who survived would be stronger for the experience?

Are you serious?

 

[One Brow]

You couldn't win this one by discussing American ideals, right?

Your naivete is truly charming, as if you were ten years old.

 

[One Brow]

surviving bully attacks takes strength than being a bully but you clearly misunderstand his thread and my oppinion

It takes a certain type of strengh, but that's different from building or encouraging that strength. The strength would have been there before the bullying. You have presented nothing that indicates being bullied is advantageous.

 

[DutchJazzer]

It takes a certain type of strengh, but that's different from building or encouraging that strength. The strength would have been there before the bullying. You have presented nothing that indicates being bullied is advantageous.

so you believe strenght is just there, your jsut born with it or not?
in my opinion experiences in live strengthen you not the other way around.

on a side not i think that guy called hippocrap is missing my point.

 

[One Brow]

in my opinion experiences in live strengthen you not the other way around.

Countries build a stong military by spending money wisely; going to war always weakens it. Athletes build a stong body by training, the rigors of a season always weaken it. Character is built family and good role models; bullying wears is down.

 

[babe]

Your naivete is truly charming, as if you were ten years old.

Your failure to comprehend what I said is, well, to be expected. Nobody can be talking about something above the ten year old level of comprehension because. . . . well, it's not worthwhile to even try.

Bully behavior is the level the government functions on.

It is just laughable that progressives think they're moving mankind forward.


So I've worked with cows and other animals a lot, and in general there is a lot of natural bullying going on. It's only humans who can generally rise above it and try to impute higher levels of respect for others. It's good of us to try, and it's generally the forte of religions to teach those sorts of ideals. Well, unless they're a state religion intolerant of questions, doubts, or disobedience. When the government does it, like some backstreet bully, they generally have a bunch of soldiers and cops deployed in riot gear. And you fail to see it for what it is????

It's just not OK for progressives to cast their fine ideals out on the public for "voluntary" participation, they always require everybody to join in.

Hey, I went back to your blog, and found you've degenerated the level of discussion there, too. I probably won't be trying to probe the mysteries of the universe there.

 

[One Brow]

Your failure to comprehend what I said is, well, to be expected.

What do you think I didn't comprehend?