Bully slapdown

[gregbroncs]

that ussualy wont help.

Not always but at least if a teacher knows about it when something like this happens they can go to the teacher and get backing for defending themselves. There is not always going to be somebody filming it.

 

[Stickler]

you clearly know nothing about bullies. bullies prey on the weak this kid just proved he aint weak trust me this litle kid aint a fighter he is a coward. and he will never ever approach the Hero again. the bullies/cowards will just find another weak target to save face

Yes, that's what people generally say about bullies. And it's often true. However, bullies are people, with emotions and thoughts and fears and hopes, just like anybody else. They are not automatons who will automatically react in a guaranteed predictable fashion. The little guy on his own probably wouldn't go after "the Hero" again, as he probably now realizes how stupid it was to screw with a guy twice his weight and a head taller than he is...

But there are at least three guys in the group that has been tormenting our hero. We know this because there's a guy filming it and egging the little guy on, and the taller guy who stepped to our hero after he body-slammed the little guy as if to defend him. This introduces a social dynamic into the bullying that your binary yes/no check-box understanding of bullies doesn't account for.

And, of course, even without the social dynamic you'd probably be wrong more often than you're right. But I'm sure you're quite used to that.

 

[vegas]

When I was a kid growing up in the Utah school system fights happened and the teachers made you sit at your desk or gave you detention after school. That was about it. I have a friend who broke his wrist in a fall during a fight and he did 2 hours of detention after school with a broken wrist. Of course I was in school in Utah when it was still ok for teachers to whack you with a paddle with holes drilled in it if you mis-behaved. I had teachers throw chalk and erasers at me, and one who would smack you with a yard-stick, often hard enough to break it. Yet another teacher favored smacking you with the spine of a book on the head if you were out of line. I am glad they deal with fighting and bullying more strictly now.

Recently my 14 year old son was being bullied at school. The other kid was smaller than my son (for 14 my son is a big kid), but had friends backing him up. Plus my son is in a new school he moved into during the school year in a different state. That is a tough situation. One day in gym class the bully hit my son on the chin. My son doesn't take very kindly to that sort of thing so he decked the kid, literally. One punch, kid hit the ground. In the investigation they found corroboration that the bullying had been ongoing for sometime (at least 2 months), and that my son struck only in self-defense, and that it was the first time he had fought back. My son was suspended for one day for continuing a fight, the other kid was expelled and cannot be reinstated until he shows proof of going through a state-sponsored youth anger-management class.

That is the way it should be handled. Intigation needs to carry a stiffer penalty than self-defense. Fighting at all needs to be dealt with strictly enough to deter it in the future, but far and away the instigator, the bully, needs greater punishment.

I think your example is a good response. I think that schools have to avoid violence at all costs. The days where people fought man to man are gone. Weapons are common.

When I was in Jr High (in Utah) in the early 90s, a kid that brought a 45 to school because he was fighting a gang member--in case anybody else jumped in, fortunately he didn't use it. Another kid packed a .22 rifle in his levis (I know) and shot himself in the foot in shop class. Most of those kids didn't continue on to high school, but most kids kept bats etc in their cars just in case they got into a fight. Since then, I'm not up to speed on what is 'cool' in school, but I imagine it is worse.

Because of crazy people, I think schools have to avoid violence at all costs. Death and serious injury are not a risk they can take. Yes, I lost a good friend to a gang-related shooting in high school (not at school). I'm sure I'm not the only one.

 

[DutchJazzer]

I think your example is a good response. I think that schools have to avoid violence at all costs. The days where people fought man to man are gone. Weapons are common.

When I was in Jr High (in Utah) in the early 90s, a kid that brought a 45 to school because he was fighting a gang member--in case anybody else jumped in, fortunately he didn't use it. Another kid packed a .22 rifle in his levis (I know) and shot himself in the foot in shop class. Most of those kids didn't continue on to high school, but most kids kept bats etc in their cars just in case they got into a fight. Since then, I'm not up to speed on what is 'cool' in school, but I imagine it is worse.

Because of crazy people, I think schools have to avoid violence at all costs. Death and serious injury are not a risk they can take. Yes, I lost a good friend to a gang-related shooting in high school (not at school). I'm sure I'm not the only one.

It might be a good response but i got in a "fight" and i did not start that particular fight. so as a kid when i got suspended I did not understand. I did the "right" thing and got punished. so what u thinks happen when the kid grows up and got punished for the right thing? will i stand up and fight for me or more importantly someone else. hell yeah! what did i learn instead?that man made laws are stupid and cowardice.

all thise law?rule create is more bystanders who watch

 

[enchilada_style]

what should the bodyslammer need to do he got slaped hit several times. the evidence is right there nobody helping nobody holding that little turd back. what other options are there. where ois the line what if after he hit him a few times he started raping him could he then fight back. whenever somone punches me i give them a fair warning tell them that one is free and ask them to please not do it again sometimes i even give them a second punch for free hitting at the third punch. but these kinda people dont understand 1 guy once hit me 7 times i warned him a couple of times. he had a bit too much to drink should i (casey) not fight back?

WHY GET PUNISHED FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING.

**** the stupid no fight policy. this is no fight this is SELF DEFENSE.

is there a "NO self defense" Policy? if so he should get suspended. but he did not fight he defended himself.

on the ohter hand i got suspended from school a couple of times. i did not see it as punishment i saw it as a vacation.

DUDE, simmer down. Your idea of the right thing is not universal. You are very caught up in the underdog story of this. It's cute.

 

[DutchJazzer]

DUDE, simmer down. Your idea of the right thing is not universal. You are very caught up in the underdog story of this. It's cute.

ooh really underdog? did you see how big the dude was. the bully is the underdog. it's is the universal right thing to do turning the other cheek clearly did not help. clearly the victim is no underdog.

again you fail

 

[Nate505]

I have told my boys that if I ever get a call that they fought back against a bully, no punishment would happen. If I ever get the call that they are the bully, all hell will break loose. As an 8th grader I was harassed by a gang of bullies and it got to the point that I was almost afraid to go to school. No kid should ever go through that.

Same here. The problem with gangs of the jackasses that even fighting back only solves the problem for a little bit. On a side tangent, all I hear from people is "stand up to bullies, hit them and they'll never mess with you again." That's fine advice with a solo bully or in the Leave it to Beaver days, but when I went to school it just meant you were going to get jumped by him and his ******* friends later.

 

[JJ Rage]

Like many others here, I experience bullying at a younger age. Retaliating like this worked for me back, and while I don't think that necessarily makes it right, that little **** got exactly what he deserved.

When I started 7th grade, I was in a new town with no friends and that made me a pretty easy target. A group of wannabe skinheads caught wind that my stepfather was Jewish, and that's all the reason they needed to intensify their efforts. Also this town was small enough that the Junior High and High School were in the same building, so it wasn't uncommon for me to get jumped after school by people way older than me. The school administration did nothing, and eventually I just refused to go to school. I home schooled for awhile, then we moved again (a common theme of my childhood) and I finished out 7th grade in Salt Lake City.

My stepdad pointed out to me that I was bigger than most of the people picking on me, and something dawned on me that I could probably defend myself pretty easily. Mix that with an affinity for pro wrestling, and I went through quite the attitude change when it came to bullies. The first time I got bullied after moving to Utah, it was a skinny little twerp just like the one in the video. He yanked a stool out from underneath me, I naturally fell on my ***. I responded my picking up the stool and throwing it at him, knocking him right on his ***. He didn't **** with me after that.

It ended up being the first of many physical altercations I'd be in for the rest of my time in school. But I never bullied, never got into anything where I wasn't either defending myself or otherwise sending a message to a wannabe bully to back the **** off. I never let bullying happen to me more than once after my 7th grade experience. A a few years later, during class, a kid sitting next to me ripped a fart and tried to pin it on me, and moments later shot a spitball at the side of my face. As he turned to laugh with one of his cool kid friends, I stood up and punched him in the head. Again, he never ****ed with me again.

If bullying isn't addressed right away some way or another, it can fester. 3-4 years later, that fat kid might take all the anger from years of bullying and decide to bring a knife or gun to school, with a plan to use it.

I'm hoping that this video being out there helps this kid. There was one incident for me in early in high school that pretty much made sure no one was going to bother bullying me (or my friends) again. One persistent bully who'd given up on picking on me directly decided to target my friends. In a true act of cowardice, he pulled the "pull the chair out from underneath you" stunt that had happened to me years earlier. He pulled this on a girl, a good friend of mine, who was 5 foot nothing at best, and probably weighed about 90 lbs. She'd done nothing to provoke this, he was just trying to **** with my friends. He stood there laughing as she was on the ground in pain from the fall, and I chased after him. He ran himself into a corner, and he turned and tried to run past me, but I grabbed him by the throat and held him against the wall. At the top of my lungs, I screamed "Do something like that again and I'll ****ing kill you!". Then I let him go, and he ran. I got a mere one-day suspension, he got two. I got lucky. No administrator actually saw it happen, and when he reported the incident, the few witnesses that were called in to give their version of the story all took my side, saying I was defending another student.

That happened in the school cafeteria, during a lunch period. In front of who knows how many students. That pretty much put an end to any and all bullying for the rest of my time in high school.


The bigger problem is that schools aren't doing enough to crack down on this stuff. You know why bullying doesn't get reported? Because it results in worse bullying. My awful 7th grade experience only worsened when brought to the attention of the administration, because they would never actually punish the offenders, they'd just threaten to punish. Admonish them. They'd never actually do anything to truly put a stop to it.

I understand why the bigger kid got suspended, he hurt another student and that's never really "okay". But the smaller kid not getting punished is an outrage. They're teaching the bigger kid that defending yourself is bad, an teaching the small little **** that it's okay to bully because there are no consequences (other than a broken bone or two thanks to a sweet power slam).

 

[Duck Rodgers]

 

[CONAN]

Bullies were a Conan-magnet back in the day. Still are to some extent. Need to be less confrontational.

In this world you need to be able to take a little **** here and there. Have some thick skin. Being able to laugh at yourself and show some brevity goes a long way toward difusing situations. But there does come a point where enough is enough and you have to lay it down.

 

[franklin]

When I get bullied and need representation that understands me, I call 1-800-1JJ-RAGE.

When that doesn't work, I get Vegas for my heavy lifting. Who messes with a crew like this?


Genie screw

The King

and Versace Mariachi

 

[enchilada_style]

ooh really underdog? did you see how big the dude was. the bully is the underdog. it's is the universal right thing to do turning the other cheek clearly did not help. clearly the victim is no underdog.

again you fail

This is going nowhere.

 

[DutchJazzer]

This is going nowhere.

Just admit you where wrong in that particaular post and the victim was NO UNDERDog he just chose not to fight. until that moment of course

 

[default]

If he had gone to teachers prior to this instance he could have probably avoided it.

I know this is a common assumption, but it is also almost always false. The result is generally to really tick the bullies off. They will be even more likely to bully, just not when the teacher or administration are around. You have to stand up for yourself and have good friends or it will continue for years.

 

[DutchJazzer]

I know this is a common assumption, but it is also almost always false. The result is generally to really tick the bullies off. They will be even more likely to bully, just not when the teacher or administration are around. You have to stand up for yourself and have good friends or it will continue for years.

even in real life going to the cops doesnt always help. but yeah again people assume its a perfect world. in a perfect world going to a teacher will make it stop.
but perfection does not exist.

 

[LogGrad98]

I showed this to my wife and kids last night and my wife had a take I didn't think about. First it took her 3 viewings to figure out who the bully was. In her mind, the stereotype of the bully being the big fat kid and the victim being a little scrawny kid held sway. We read the article and another that talked about the incident then she could see that it was the smaller kid perpetrating the bullying. I think this also fits other stereotypes such as only men can perpetrate sexual harrassment, etc.

Now her take was this: what if the bigger kid had killed the littler kid? In my wifes eyes the fact that the retaliation by the bigger kid had so much greater potential for permanent harm put him at fault. She accepts he had to stand up for himself, and supports that, but felt the violence used was excessive. She has a point. If it had been the littler kids head that hit that wood planter box instead of his leg he could have died or been disabled.

How, if at all, does that change your view of the whole thing?

Also how about the notion that only bigger people can bully smaller people and not vice versa?

 

[default]

I showed this to my wife and kids last night and my wife had a take I didn't think about. First it took her 3 viewings to figure out who the bully was. In her mind, the stereotype of the bully being the big fat kid and the victim being a littel scrawny kid held sway. We read the article and another that talked about the incident then she could see that it was the smaller kid perpetrating the bullying. I think this also fits other stereotypes such as only men can perpetrate secual harrassment, etc.

Now her take was this: what if the bigger kid had killed the littler kid? In my wifes eyes the fact that the retaliation by the bigger kid had so much greater potential for permanent harm put him at fault. She accepts he had to stand up for himself, and supports that, but felt the violence used was excessive. She has a point. If it had been the littler kids head that hit that wood planter box instead of his leg he could have died or been disabled.

How, if at all, does that change your view of the whole thing?

Also how about the notion that only bigger people can bully smaller people and not vice versa?

That does not change my opinion. The little kid needed to be suspended. Casey maybe needed to be talked to but not suspended. The little punk and everyone else in this entitlement society needs to learn that there are consequences for their actions.

 

[franklin]

Now her take was this: what if the bigger kid had killed the littler kid? In my wifes eyes the fact that the retaliation by the bigger kid had so much greater potential for permanent harm put him at fault. She accepts he had to stand up for himself, and supports that, but felt the violence used was excessive. She has a point. If it had been the littler kids head that hit that wood planter box instead of his leg he could have died or been disabled.

Who gives a damn if he broke scrawny's neck? It would have been completely on accident.

He's a kid and not a trained cage fighter accustomed to controlling hormonal overload. People lose their cool when the hypothalamus kicks in. Call it genetic wisdom. Some have a higher gear and faster spinning engine than others. That's why you don't sucker punch people in the nose. You never know if he's going grizzly on your *** or not. It's my bet the big fella was responding through chemical and reactionary means only, and wasn't exactly in a position to ponder his next chess move. He went full cortisol and adrenaline autopilot, and came close to body bagging the little **** head.

Judging his body language, he looks like he has social issues, which means he probably has a pretty hard time quickly adapting and managing on-the-spot.

Don't climb a tree in a thundershower, don't feed the bears, and don't **** with big *** dudes even if they are shy and used to taking ****.

 

[gregbroncs]

That does not change my opinion. The little kid needed to be suspended. Casey maybe needed to be talked to but not suspended. The little punk and everyone else in this entitlement society needs to learn that there are consequences for their actions.

Does not change my opinion either. If he was not being bullied and attacked his response would have been unnecessary. Therefore the consequences to me all fall on the instigator of the situation. If you have somebody pull a gun on you and you take it away and kill them is it your fault? Same situation to me here, if your attacked and accidentally kill your attacker while defending yourself are you at fault? To me the answer to both questions is no.

Suspension was not enough for the bully. Expulsion should have been the punishment for the bully. The victim deserved the suspension. Fighting should not be tolerated. Suspending the bully is not strong enough to send the correct message to both him and the rest of the students.

 

[Surely]

How, if at all, does that change your view of the whole thing?

It reminds me of the guy that got shot breaking into another person's house a couple of months ago. Some on here were saying the guy had no right to shoot the guy. Others had the same line of thinking as me, if you don't want to get shot, then stay out of other people's homes. In this case, if you don't want to get f'd up, then don't mess with people 4 years older than you. (I read somewhere that Casey is 16 and the little punk is 12, which makes me think that kid is even dumber than originally thought.)