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gregbroncs said:
Defending yourself is still fighting. It takes 2 people to fight. It was a physical altercation in which both parties fought with each other. One was in the right and one was the instigator. Not suspending someone for fighting sends the wrong message to the rest of the students. However like I have said I do not believe that a suspension was a severe enough penalty for the instigator of this fight. He should be expelled and/or sent to juvenile detention. His parents obviously have done nothing to teach him that he was in the wrong as they are now asking for an apology. These parents should be facing a lawsuit filed by the victim of the bullying.

So to answer your question again. Yes I believe defending yourself is still fighting. And should be punished as such.
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self defense VS figting is kinda my field of "expertise". english is not my expertise obviousluy. so i cant really explain the differnce i tried earlier in this thread but you don't understand it.

imho opinion self defense and fighting are not the same and what happened in that video for as far as i saw is not fighting. bully was picking a fight casey defended himself. too bad the line si blurring between what is self defense and other stuff. not only the line between fighting and self defense. but also between self defense and murder.

on the other hand casey will learn that society does not like when u take the law in your own hand.

the "self defense" dillemmma effects adults too. if i'm in the street and someone is picking a fight i am thinking twice knowing that i might spend the night in jail knowing that the PIGS might arrest me.
 
1. Consent - Both parties agree to a fight, in a self defense situation, the attacker chooses you.

2. Awareness- In a fight you are aware that it is going to happen i.e. you both square off, or meet at a certain time/place etc. In a self defense situation you can be ambushed, or a person might be aggressive towards you but you cant always tell for sure if things will go physical.

3. Preparation- Even if you agree to a fight a few moments beforehand there is some time to prepare. Self defense situations often go from 0 to 100 in a matter of seconds.
 
Nate505 said:
I'm with the mother on that stance. Not for a particular piece of clothing, but for one that's giving into terrorists. People shouldn't be banned from wearing clothing because a group of thugs are attacking people from wearing it. If the school wants to go to uniforms though fine with me.
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I agree that we should not acquiesce to terrorists but was it really worth risking her son's life so he could wear his redskins hoodie for another month? Also what is the definition of terrorist? if I remember corectly is was a gang of about 8 or 10 kids who had been expelled and were shooting at kids after school, targeting kids in red hoodies. I also remember they made it clear it was temporary until they tracked down the few people involved and they did so fairly quickly. I do not see this as in any way the same as giving in to terrorist demands as they behead people.

I can see the outrage if there is no reasoning behind it or if it is just a show of power by the school. But I for one would just tell my kid to wear his gray hoodie for a while. The possible repercussions seem to be an awful high price to pay to risk my teen being killed just to wear a shirt he likes. A 14-year-old getting shot so he can "stick it to the man" just seems incredibly stupid to me.


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I've tried and can't find the details anywhere. Seems like it was 1993 or thereabouts. I emailed a friend who is a cop in Layton and he said he thought it was at West in SLC. He remembered one kid being shot and injured and then threats being made that anyone wearing red would be shot and killed so the school put a temporary ban on red sweaters and coats into place (it was winter). Still an interesting point of conversation.
 
Certain clothing being banned at school is nothing new. It could be colors or types or how you wear them. Ultimately you've got to keep the school safe while still trying to let kids keep their rights. While the constitution isn't thrown out the window at the doors of the school, it doesn't mean you are free to wear whatever you want. The school does not have time to investigate each individual over whether they are wearing colors for a certain gang or colors cuz they felt like it that day.

It's really not worth dying on that beach unless your a moron.
 
DutchJazzer said:
1. Consent - Both parties agree to a fight, in a self defense situation, the attacker chooses you.

2. Awareness- In a fight you are aware that it is going to happen i.e. you both square off, or meet at a certain time/place etc. In a self defense situation you can be ambushed, or a person might be aggressive towards you but you cant always tell for sure if things will go physical.

3. Preparation- Even if you agree to a fight a few moments beforehand there is some time to prepare. Self defense situations often go from 0 to 100 in a matter of seconds.
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I disagree with pretty much all 3 of these.

The kid picked up another student and slammed him to the ground. To me he is fighting when he goes at him.
He made a decision to defend himself and go after his attacker. Anytime you have a physical confrontation between 2 people in which both parties make physical contact intending harm it is a fight.

Could he have stood there and taken it? Yes. Should he have? No. But he did go after the kid. You call it self defense. I call it both. Yes he defended himself but he was also fighting. You seem to think fighting and defending oneself are mutually exclusive. They are not, you can be doing both of them at the same time.

We disagree. I'm done arguing over it.
 
The bully got exactly what he deserved here. I guess he got cleansed of his little man syndrome really quick.
 
Thanks for posting that Viny. It really puts it all in perspective. My son, who has been bullied, wants to meet Casey and tell him that he sees him as a hero.
 
Stickler said:
Yes, that's what people generally say about bullies. And it's often true. However, bullies are people, with emotions and thoughts and fears and hopes, just like anybody else.
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Did we ever figure out if Stickler was trolling here or if he is just a complete and utter jagoff?
 
I was born free too and I is stayin' that way. I ain't lettin' no nude gang stop me from flopping my dong around your table at TGI Fridays. Specially on Friday. No terrorists is gonna tell me what I cannot not wear. Wearin' somethin' just shows you're weak and empowers them. Prolly strengthens their colonies too.

Now gimme some Jimmer.
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to franklin again.
 
I still think it's a dangerous thing to not know the differnece ebtween fighting and self defense. if school show/learn you that their is no difference sooner or later society will see no differeence between fighting and self defense. meaning self defense will be "illegal".

there is aldso an interview from the bully on youtube ritchard gale
 
"When asked if he'll bully again, he said probably not." No **** Sherlock. You just got your *** handed to you.
 
I liked where they asked if he was sorry and he immediately said "no" then looked at this dad and then said "yeah I guess so". What a punk.
 
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