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Burglar Shot Dead

https://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/11/08/connecticut.home.invasion.penalty/index.html?hpt=T1

Front page of cnn.com right now.

Prosecutors alleged that Hayes and Joshua Komisarjevsky invaded the Petit home in Cheshire, Connecticut, on July 23, 2007, beat Dr. William Petit, raped and strangled his wife, molested one of the daughters and set the house on fire before attempting to flee. Hayes also forced Jennifer Hawke-Petit to go to a bank to withdraw money from a bank account.
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Rubber bullets and reasoning with the criminal "victims" for the win!!!!
 
Archie Moses said:
Maybe I should just go buy an air soft gun that looks like a real gun cause that will protect me and my family.
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Um, you know rubber bullets don't feel like paintballs, right? Do you know anything, or do you just act like a jackass for the sake of entertainment? If you get shot with a rubber slug from a shotgun or even a pistol, it's gonna hurt, bruise and swell like a mother ****er. Your stance is to shoot to kill first and then not care who it is that you shot or if they were even armed. Yes, that's a good idea...

Somebody provides an alternate solution to protect themselves, other than "kill whoever it is by shooting them dead", and they get criticized. So, I maintain my stance. Users on this forum are a complete joke.


Darkwing Duck said:
Quite the insult to fling for taking the stance that shooting a home invader is okay.
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Wait, what? I actually was providing alternates to that. Once again, a complete joke.
 
If this site is a complete joke, Unlucky, why don't you leave? Take your taser and rubber bullets with you too. We don't want them.
 
Isn't there a statistic (or maybe it's just one of those urban myth numbers-game) that says that the majority of home burglars are high when they do their deed?

That being said, how can you assume that turning on the porch lights and flashing the steel barrel in the light will scare them off?

Although I agree that that should be done first (turn on a few lights and announce yourself and the fact that you are armed), you should also err on the side of caution and prepare to defend yourself, your family, and your property.

Was everything done correctly in the story? Probably not. But I do have more sympathy for the home owner than the would-be intruder.
 
Archie Moses said:
If this site is a complete joke, Unlucky, why don't you leave? Take your taser and rubber bullets with you too. We don't want them.
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If you were a foremost authority on the site, I would leave. Fortunately, there's an ignore feature and the fact that I now have like 12 users on my list is pretty ****ing sad.

Also, nice fail on responding to anything I said. Don't bother arguing anything if you can't provide reasoning behind your arguments. Tard.
 
Wow. I guess I knew this thread was going to turn into a shouting match. You go girls!
 
I can't accept any opinion that isn't mine!!! I'm an Americun!

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unluckyseventeen said:
If you were a foremost authority on the site, I would leave. Fortunately, there's an ignore feature and the fact that I now have like 12 users on my list is pretty ****ing sad.

Also, nice fail on responding to anything I said. Don't bother arguing anything if you can't provide reasoning behind your arguments. Tard.
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If you're at a point when someone breaks into your home where you feel you need to fight to protect yourself, I say shoot to kill. Why take any chances? What if you shoot someone with a rubber bullet and he shoots you with a real bullet? How you gonna tase someone who shoots you? Cops are taught that if they use their gun, shoot to kill. I agree. If you have to use a weapon for your protection, use it to terminate the threat.

Here's how effective rubber bullets are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHpNgnsTEQ4

"We cannot tie Steven Hayes to a bed, pour gasoline on him and set him on fire," Dearington said, referring to the killings. "But under our laws, we do have the death penalty."
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It's people like Steven Hayes that make me feel a lot more comfortable about what I think.
https://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/11/08/connecticut.home.invasion.penalty/index.html?hpt=T1

It all comes down to: Stay the **** out of people's houses if you don't want to get shot. It's not that hard of a principle to abide by.
 
Last thing I'm going to say (unless I decide to say something more later) is that in the real world there are choices and there are consequences. Some people on this board think that people should be able to do whatever they want with zero consequences. In this case the would be intruder clearly chose to try to break into someone's home, at which point the consequences of that decision were taken out of his control. Unfortunately he paid dearly for his poor choice, but to sit there and say that he is the victim is really screwed up. Had he not chose to go on his little spree (whatever his intentions were) two lives would be very different today.
 
You need to keep in mind what the intruders mindset may be in a situation like this. Someone willing to forcibly enter a house in the early morning hours is not someone you can reason with. Someone willing to do this disregarding the fact that the family may be home, to me, is a dangerous individual. I saw Tasers and Pepper Spray mentioned. Tasers are not a catch-all for non-lethal uses of force. If the suspect has on thick clothing the probes won't stick, if the suspect moves quickly the probes won't stick. If the probes don't spread far enough the taser will not have the desired effect.

I have personally experience pepper spray cause a violent reaction in suspects more often then it takes them out of the fight. I've watched more individuals under OC Spray fight harder then they normally would as they are blinded and swinging at anything. Plus, with OC you always suffer "blowback" and expose the person spraying, which is why Law Enforcement are exposed in the Academy, to prepare you for getting exposed when you first deploy it on someone.

With the intruder willing to forcibly enter an occupied home clearly he poses a danger to the family inside and the owner is justified in using deadly force. Just my opinion.
 
Boondocksaint27 said:
You need to keep in mind what the intruders mindset may be in a situation like this. Someone willing to forcibly enter a house in the early morning hours is not someone you can reason with. Someone willing to do this disregarding the fact that the family may be home, to me, is a dangerous individual. I saw Tasers and Pepper Spray mentioned. Tasers are not a catch-all for non-lethal uses of force. If the suspect has on thick clothing the probes won't stick, if the suspect moves quickly the probes won't stick. If the probes don't spread far enough the taser will not have the desired effect.

I have personally experience pepper spray cause a violent reaction in suspects more often then it takes them out of the fight. I've watched more individuals under OC Spray fight harder then they normally would as they are blinded and swinging at anything. Plus, with OC you always suffer "blowback" and expose the person spraying, which is why Law Enforcement are exposed in the Academy, to prepare you for getting exposed when you first deploy it on someone.

With the intruder willing to forcibly enter an occupied home clearly he poses a danger to the family inside and the owner is justified in using deadly force. Just my opinion.
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Dude, quit being rational and logical. Unlucky17 thinks posters like you are a joke and ruining the site. How dare you think this way!!!!


BTW, good post. +4.
 
Archie Moses said:
But rubber bullets hurt, dude. It eliminated his ninja abilities don't you think?
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Pretty obvious that those weren't rubber bullets (or really ****** ones) if they were exploding into white powder. Once again, Archie, you ****ing fail. Please continue to fail harder and harder... it's all you know how to do.

Typically during crowd control they fire rubber bullets off the ground and bounce them into targets, and it still stuns people and knocks them down. Shoot them directly and guess what's going to happen.

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I don't know why I'm trying to educate a complete moran, though. Seems like a waste of my time.
 
The injuries above looks to be from something a lot bigger than bullets that would fit in most homeowner's hand guns. So are you saying homeowners should have this instead:

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Boondocksaint27 said:
You need to keep in mind what the intruders mindset may be in a situation like this. Someone willing to forcibly enter a house in the early morning hours is not someone you can reason with. Someone willing to do this disregarding the fact that the family may be home, to me, is a dangerous individual. I saw Tasers and Pepper Spray mentioned. Tasers are not a catch-all for non-lethal uses of force. If the suspect has on thick clothing the probes won't stick, if the suspect moves quickly the probes won't stick. If the probes don't spread far enough the taser will not have the desired effect.

I have personally experience pepper spray cause a violent reaction in suspects more often then it takes them out of the fight. I've watched more individuals under OC Spray fight harder then they normally would as they are blinded and swinging at anything. Plus, with OC you always suffer "blowback" and expose the person spraying, which is why Law Enforcement are exposed in the Academy, to prepare you for getting exposed when you first deploy it on someone.

With the intruder willing to forcibly enter an occupied home clearly he poses a danger to the family inside and the owner is justified in using deadly force. Just my opinion.
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Well said. But I still think people should consider ways to disable an intruder before thinking of ways to outright kill them. I'd like to see how these gun-touting hard asses would react if they shot some teenage kid to death because they entered their house.

I agree that they are justified in doing whatever they want, but you don't want killing some kid to be on your conscience. I can guarantee that if you have any sympathy for anything at all, if you killed somebody you'd think back to the situation a hundred times wondering if you made the right choice. Anybody saying "It's the right choice! I'd never regret it" is obviously talking out of their *** considering I'm positive they've never killed a civilian in their life.
 
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