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Burke and Current Expectations

Catchall said:
Trey Burke:

- Best playmaker and floor leader of the last 3 drafts.
- Best pick-and-roll PG of the last 3 drafts, pending how Nate Wolters turns out.
- Underrated quickness just because he doesn't have a blow-by first step.
- Underrated athleticism just because he does't play over the rim.
- Needs to get stronger and a bit tougher.
- Needs to learn to use more arc and place shots higher on the backboard when he's trying to finish inside.
- Can easily put up 14/8 mixed in with the players we have, which may be all we need.
- Made Tim Hardaway Jr., Mitch McGary and Glen Robinson III look like great pro prospects by drawing defenses and making the right read at Michigan. Everyone of those guys needed to be set up in order to score.
- Handled big-time pressure every night in a very competitive Big 10.
- McCollum has more upside due to his size and ability to create shots for himself, while Burke is the safer pick as a facilitator.

He's 20. He's learning a new offense, and he's adjusting to NBA physicality. He hasn't even met Derrick Favors yet. He's been in the league for literally 1 week. Give him a furkan break.

The one thing I didn't like about him last year was his propensity to take long jumpers early in the shot clock. It's like he was conceding that he couldn't attack the defense, so he settled for long jumpers. If he runs into that situation with the Jazz, I hope he gives up the ball to Hayward or Burks and runs a route instead.

The other thing is that he's listed at 6'1", but I'm not sure he really is. I think it's safe to project him as a slightly better version of Jameer Nelson, who actually did make an All Star team in 2009 when he averaged 16.7 pts and 5.4 assists. That was the Orlando team that made the NBA Finals and lost to the Lakers.
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Larkin was the best pick and roll PG pretty sure. He might be a tad under 6'1" in normal shoes but does have a very legit 6'5.5" wingspan.
 
Catchall said:
Trey Burke:

- Best playmaker and floor leader of the last 3 drafts.
- Best pick-and-roll PG of the last 3 drafts, pending how Nate Wolters turns out.
- Underrated quickness just because he doesn't have a blow-by first step.
- Underrated athleticism just because he does't play over the rim.
- Needs to get stronger and a bit tougher.
- Needs to learn to use more arc and place shots higher on the backboard when he's trying to finish inside.
- Can easily put up 14/8 mixed in with the players we have, which may be all we need.
- Made Tim Hardaway Jr., Mitch McGary and Glen Robinson III look like great pro prospects by drawing defenses and making the right read at Michigan. Everyone of those guys needed to be set up in order to score.
- Handled big-time pressure every night in a very competitive Big 10.
- McCollum has more upside due to his size and ability to create shots for himself, while Burke is the safer pick as a facilitator.

He's 20. He's learning a new offense, and he's adjusting to NBA physicality. He hasn't even met Derrick Favors yet. He's been in the league for literally 1 week. Give him a furkan break.

The one thing I didn't like about him last year was his propensity to take long jumpers early in the shot clock. It's like he was conceding that he couldn't attack the defense, so he settled for long jumpers. If he runs into that situation with the Jazz, I hope he gives up the ball to Hayward or Burks and runs a route instead.

The other thing is that he's listed at 6'1", but I'm not sure he really is. I think it's safe to project him as a slightly better version of Jameer Nelson, who actually did make an All Star team in 2009 when he averaged 16.7 pts and 5.4 assists. That was the Orlando team that made the NBA Finals and lost to the Lakers.
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I'll go more in depth later, but I disagree with a lot of your assessments.

I mean, you just called Burke a better playmaker than Kyrie Irving and Damian Lillard, which is a laughable statement.
 
The Black Swordsman said:
I just hope Trey Burke doesn't turn out like Austin Rivers. He is the only person I can find who had similar stats to Trey Burke for Summer league. (I couldn't find TO averages for these)

Austin Rivers 32.0 MPG 10.0 PPG 2.5 RPG 3.5 APG 21.1% FG

Trey Burke 28.0 MPG 9.0 PPG 4.3 RPG 3.7 APG 21.4% FG

If Trey Burke turns into a Kemba Walker I would be happy.
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Rivers was/is a hopeless chucker. Burke can and does setup his teammates. His poor shooting was troubling but I believe he will adjust to the type of shots he can get in the NBA. Defensively Burke was solid and Rivers hasn't ever blown anyone's socks off defensively.

Don't sweat the numbers.
 
Catchall said:
Trey Burke:

- Best playmaker and floor leader of the last 3 drafts.
- Best pick-and-roll PG of the last 3 drafts, pending how Nate Wolters turns out.
- Underrated quickness just because he doesn't have a blow-by first step.
- Underrated athleticism just because he does't play over the rim.
- Needs to get stronger and a bit tougher.
- Needs to learn to use more arc and place shots higher on the backboard when he's trying to finish inside.
- Can easily put up 14/8 mixed in with the players we have, which may be all we need.
- Made Tim Hardaway Jr., Mitch McGary and Glen Robinson III look like great pro prospects by drawing defenses and making the right read at Michigan. Everyone of those guys needed to be set up in order to score.
- Handled big-time pressure every night in a very competitive Big 10.
- McCollum has more upside due to his size and ability to create shots for himself, while Burke is the safer pick as a facilitator.

He's 20. He's learning a new offense, and he's adjusting to NBA physicality. He hasn't even met Derrick Favors yet. He's been in the league for literally 1 week. Give him a furkan break.

The one thing I didn't like about him last year was his propensity to take long jumpers early in the shot clock. It's like he was conceding that he couldn't attack the defense, so he settled for long jumpers. If he runs into that situation with the Jazz, I hope he gives up the ball to Hayward or Burks and runs a route instead.

The other thing is that he's listed at 6'1", but I'm not sure he really is. I think it's safe to project him as a slightly better version of Jameer Nelson, who actually did make an All Star team in 2009 when he averaged 16.7 pts and 5.4 assists. That was the Orlando team that made the NBA Finals and lost to the Lakers.
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Agree with a couple points, but mostl reaching bigtime on most of your points.
 
Hantlers said:
I'll go more in depth later, but I disagree with a lot of your assessments.

I mean, you just called Burke a better playmaker than Kyrie Irving and Damian Lillard, which is a laughable statement.
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Lillard and Irving are score-first PGs. Both averaged 6 assists last year. Both averaged at least 16 shot attempts last year. They're both better scorers that Burke, sure.
 
Here are the highlights from his first Summer League game. He has an alley-oop to Evans from nearly half court in a half court set. He has two dump offs to Gobert and Evans for dunks on the baseline.

Is there anyone else in Summer League you've seen make passes at this level?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJP9jdpBH1s
 
Catchall said:
Here are the highlights from his first Summer League game. He has an alley-oop to Evans from nearly half court in a half court set. He has two dump offs to Gobert and Evans for dunks on the baseline.

Is there anyone else in Summer League you've seen make passes at this level?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJP9jdpBH1s
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Burke also had a nice alley-oop pass to Evans or Roberts from a little passed half court too bad they missed the lay-up.
 
Catchall said:
Lillard and Irving are score-first PGs. Both averaged 6 assists last year. Both averaged at least 16 shot attempts last year. They're both better scorers that Burke, sure.
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Who says being a playmaker is just getting shots for teammates? Getting buckets is being a playmaker as well. I don't care if they're shoot-first PG's, they're better playmakers.
 
Catchall said:
Larkin is too small. He's a backup.
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Catchall said:
Here are the highlights from his first Summer League game. He has an alley-oop to Evans from nearly half court in a half court set. He has two dump offs to Gobert and Evans for dunks on the baseline.

Is there anyone else in Summer League you've seen make passes at this level?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJP9jdpBH1s
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Schroeder and MCW both displayed some nice passing ability. Schroeder's gig isn't through just yet either. I admit Burke had some good moments, but I get freaked when I see his hero-ball being condoned, even if it is just summer league. His position is the most important on the floor, and the success of all of our guys will depend upon the decisions he makes with the ball. The offense is a chain reaction from him, and as so could make our really talented players look half as good if he plays selfish and doesn't run his part of the offense effectively (which should be to only set up the best play to score a bucket, and not just search for his own shot).

If Fall comes around and Burke is shooting 5.4% from 3pt land, but is setting up the best opportunities for everyone else, I will lay off of him and be happy with our selection. If he is shooting 40% from 3pt range, but our offense is stagnate, I will feel like screwed this pick up.
 
I have no doubts about Burke being the PG of the future. A little perspective is appropriate. Since we traded Deron and realized Harris wasn't a legit long-term solution, we've heard there wouldn't be any PGs coming out in drafts and FA possibilities looked bleak. I'm not talking about superstars and I'm not talking about Steve Francis types. We simply needed a guy who was confident at playing the position (and not just fit in to the position because they're not 6'6". Anyway, I'm on my phone and it's taking so long to type that I forget what point I'm trying to make. I'll summaries below:

Trey Burke will be awesome. Will he be an all star? Who knows. More importantly, it doesn't really matter. I expect Memo and Millsap caliber out of him. Memo made that all star team one year due to injury, but nobody would have said he was a superstar or a franchise player. He had lots of weaknesses and his numbers wouldn't look as sexy compared to other high profile guys, but we all knew he was awesome and we all saw what he brought to our team beyond the numbers. The same goes for Millsap. He never put up all star numbers be we all know how important he was to our team and more importantly how he fit in. Burke fits exactly what we need -- a distributor who can also shoot long range and score a reasonable amount. We don't need "jump out of the gym athleticism," "explosiveness," or "unreal length" or whatever stupid cliché that's irrelevant to 90% of what a PG does. If we were looking for all those other irrelevant PG qualities we could just play Burks at PG, be inefficient, but get all hot and excited from 1-2 Sports Center highlights per game and watch him drive the lane while everyone else stands around.
 
franklin said:
I expect Burke to make CPee3 look like an overpaid douche, and Neto to be Rubio with a shot. They'll both be all stars.
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In the same season - along with Hayward, Favors, Kanter and Burks. And Corbin will be the AS game head coach for the WC. Book it!
 
Catchall said:
You want a PG who takes more shots than Al did last year?
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Depends on the point guard..... I would love to have a player like steph curry as a point guard to lead our team in field goal attempts...... or parker, westbrook, irving, rose, etc etc.
Our other guys have a lot of ways to contribute without scoring.
If the point guard is good enough you take a great scoring points guard over a mediocre pass first point guard
 
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