Burke Invited To The US Select Team

[Jazz Spazz]

I don't think they'll go up because the usage opportunity won't be there, not because he won't improve. We have five players with a legitimate shot at running this offense through (Burke, Burks, Hayward, Hood, Dante).

I suppose you have a point there, and as I think about the extra passes to get an open shot it doesn't usually lead to an assist for the PG.

Parker averages 6apg yet the Spurs generally are tops or close to tops in Apg as a team.

We may get more open shots and hit more open shots but the assists will be spread out among the players and not rest solely on the PG if things are run right.

 

[Tarkanian]

Geez!
Hayward's jump-shouting so underrated!

 

[Jazz Spazz]

key to the offense: Hayward's spot shouting.

Geez!
Hayward's jump-shouting so underrated!

Boozer was always a good spot shouter, one of the best tbh.

 

[da ThRONe]

Snyder's empty post/double high screen offense will play up to Trey's strengths.

Corbin's offense allowed defenses to pack the paint and forced Trey to play to his weaknesses (long, contested 2s). This will not happen under Snyder and I expect his % to move up significantly. His assists will be about the same, but I expect they'll be of much higher quality.

I don't understand why more people underestimate just how bad Corbin's offense was. If you take any player other than maybe a small handful and you run a system that forces them to rely on low percentage ball and/or their weaknesses that player will be bad. Imagine if Spoelstra made Wade a spot up 3pt shooter how affective Wade would be.

 

[franklin]

I don't understand why more people underestimate just how bad Corbin's offense was. If you take any player other than maybe a small handful and you run a system that forces them to rely on low percentage ball and/or their weaknesses that player will be bad. Imagine if Spoelstra made Wade a spot up 3pt shooter how affective Wade would be.

Snyder's offense won't lend itself well to Kanter, and Favors to a lesser extent. Both suck away from the basket but that's where they're going to see a whole lot of time.

Corbin could have brought them both out too, but he was DEVELOPING them inside. We are past that stage in this team's progression.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

Snyder's offense won't lend itself well to Kanter, and Favors to a lesser extent. Both suck away from the basket but that's where they're going to see a whole lot of time.

Corbin could have brought them both out too, but he was DEVELOPING them inside. We are past that stage in this team's progression.

They'll be forced to move more on offense and set more screens. No more sitting in the post waiting for the ball.

I tried to rep you but apparently you're the only poster I rep here. Go figure. I'll go rep some of boobs posts and get back to you.

 

[colton]

Crayons: LOL!

OK, I won't say Burke's shooting sucks or is even very low.

But I do have a few questions:
1. How many teams had a starting guard shoot worse than 38%/33%?
2. How many playoff teams had a starting guard shoot that poorly?

I think a much better question would be, how many playoff teams had a starting guard who shot 38%/33% his rookie season?

I don't know the answer to it, but would be willing to rep if someone can look it up.

 

[colton]

Corbin's offense allowed defenses to pack the paint and forced Trey to play to his weaknesses (long, contested 2s). This will not happen under Snyder and I expect his % to move up significantly.

"Forced" is much too strong a word. My main issue with Burke was his poor decision making, namely that he often would decide to jack up a bad shot instead of working to get his teammates (or himself) a better one. Hopefully that'll be much better this year, with his experience and a different offense. But I think it might be only 50-50. We'll see.

 

[ncoloradojazz]

"Forced" is much too strong a word. My main issue with Burke was his poor decision making, namely that he often would decide to jack up a bad shot instead of working to get his teammates (or himself) a better one. Hopefully that'll be much better this year, with his experience and a different offense. But I think it might be only 50-50. We'll see.

Maybe because his teammates are not very good. I saw him pass lenty in college to his other pro teammates...Justa thought ya know

 

[Hantlers]

I think a much better question would be, how many playoff teams had a starting guard who shot 38%/33% his rookie season?

I don't know the answer to it, but would be willing to rep if someone can look it up.

Jeff Teague shot 39%/22%…granted it was in only 10 minutes a game.

George Hill shot 40%/33%.

John Wall shot 41%/29%.

Jose Calderon shot 41%/16%.

Ricky Rubio shot 36%/34%.

Russell Westbrook shot 39%/27%.

Kyle Lowry shot 37%/37%.

Kemba Walker shot 36%/30%.

Kirk Hinrich shot 38%/39%.


Pretty much most rookie PG's struggle.

 

[colton]

Jeff Teague shot 39%/22%…granted it was in only 10 minutes a game.

George Hill shot 40%/33%.

John Wall shot 41%/29%.

Jose Calderon shot 41%/16%.

Ricky Rubio shot 36%/34%.

Russell Westbrook shot 39%/27%.

Kyle Lowry shot 37%/37%.

Kemba Walker shot 36%/30%.

Kirk Hinrich shot 38%/39%.


Pretty much most rookie PG's struggle.

Thanks. So it would seem to me that there's still hope that Trey can develop into a playoff-caliber PG.

 

[Hantlers]

Thanks. So it would seem to me that there's still hope that Trey can develop into a playoff-caliber PG.

Yes, although many of those PG's have far greater physical skills to make up for their lack of shooting compared to Burke.

Hopeful comparisons (at least in terms of progression), could be Walker, Teague, Hill, Calderon and maybe Lowry…but we'll see. Every case is different.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Yes, although many of those PG's have far greater physical skills to make up for their lack of shooting compared to Burke.

Hopeful comparisons (at least in terms of progression), could be Walker, Teague, Hill, Calderon and maybe Lowry…but we'll see. Every case is different.

We'll see. I'm too lazy to look it up, but it would be interesting to see how many of the PG's you listed sucked again as sophomores in their summer league games. I saw very little indication Burke has improved his shooting.

 

[Tarkanian]

collegiate Burke was a good PG.
I still have "great expectations"

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

It seems (Burke) feels he is too good for the Jazz or something. I really have a feeling Burke thinks he is better than he thinks he is moreso than most players. The only thing promising about Burke is that he has a very very nice Assist/TO ratio (Top 10 in the entire NBA). Everything else sucks, his athleticism sucks, his height sucks, his defense sucks, his shooting sucks. His rookie year stats and height are very similar to Johnny Flynn. Johnny didn't last 5 years in the NBA.

His defense improved a lot in SL so we'll see how it holds up in the regular season but generally speaking, as much as I am rooting for the kid, I believe the rest of your statements to ring true.

 

[franklin]

"Forced" is much too strong a word. My main issue with Burke was his poor decision making, namely that he often would decide to jack up a bad shot instead of working to get his teammates (or himself) a better one. Hopefully that'll be much better this year, with his experience and a different offense. But I think it might be only 50-50. We'll see.

Corbin's offense didn't run a whole lot action outside pick and roll. It was a pretty basic move-and-fill action on the wings. There weren't many backdoor cuts. The pnr tended to hedge Trey baseline, with no options other than re-screening. Corbin rarely had them experiment with that. Corbin never ran staggered high screens, and with a big hanging around the paint it made it difficult for Trey to attack mano a mano.

That's what I meant by forcing Trey into taking bad shots. He's not a drive and seek point guard like Nash or Dragic, and he's not big, quick, or athletic enough to drive into contact. The only option I saw for making better decisions was backing out and resetting the offense. That kind of stagnation would have been brutal to watch.

 

[franklin]

Jeff Teague shot 39%/22%…granted it was in only 10 minutes a game.

George Hill shot 40%/33%.

John Wall shot 41%/29%.

Jose Calderon shot 41%/16%.

Ricky Rubio shot 36%/34%.

Russell Westbrook shot 39%/27%.

Kyle Lowry shot 37%/37%.

Kemba Walker shot 36%/30%.

Kirk Hinrich shot 38%/39%.


Pretty much most rookie PG's struggle.

These really need to be adjusted for free throw attempts. Trey's bad percentages wouldn't worry anyone if he could get to the line 5.7/game like John Wall did.

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

These really need to be adjusted for free throw attempts. Trey's bad percentages wouldn't worry anyone if he could get to the line 5.7/game like John Wall did.

You mention FT attempts which are more important than what I'm about to say but also compare FT%. Burke shoots FT's very well, so that should give hope that if left open he can be a real threat to knock down those shots.