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Burks' benching brainstorming (BBB)

Why is Burks glued to the bench?

  • Foye is way better and deserves the time.

    Votes: 3 6.1%

  • Foye is marginally better but we need to win now.

    Votes: 16 32.7%

  • His work ethic blows.

    Votes: 2 4.1%

  • He's failing to grasp our system or lack thereof.

    Votes: 10 20.4%

  • Corbin is masterfully motivating him.

    Votes: 3 6.1%

  • He's a hopper?

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • His attitude sucks

    Votes: 5 10.2%

  • Other

    Votes: 10 20.4%
  • Total voters
    49
fishonjazz said:
Most of those players i mentioned came in to the league believing they were "the man" already and then recieved playing time to prove it.
The best way to earn that cockiness is through playing time..... Sigh
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Confirm: Westbrook.

We all know this team needs an alpha male. It seems TyCo is set on breeding out that trait.
 
NAOS said:
Confirm: Westbrook.

We all know this team needs an alpha male. It seems TyCo is set on breeding out that trait.
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Who do you want to be the Alpha Male? Burks, a 2nd year player who has done basically nothing? Mo, who tries to be but isn't good enough to back it up? Favors, just to quiet and nice. Milsap, to tries hard but also just isnt that type of guy. Gordon, also not an alpha type. I dont think Ty is breeding anything out of them. It wasn't there in the first place.
 
kennykyle said:
Who do you want to be the Alpha Male? Burks, a 2nd year player who has done basically nothing? Mo, who tries to be but isn't good enough to back it up? Favors, just to quiet and nice. Milsap, to tries hard but also just isnt that type of guy. Gordon, also not an alpha type. I dont think Ty is breeding anything out of them. It wasn't there in the first place.
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I agree we don't have one. I think we need one, though. Rondo.
 
I went with
Foye is marginally better but we need to win now.
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Right now Foye is marginally better. And in Ty's mind gives us the best chance to win games now. The problem is thats not what a lot of us want
 
kennykyle said:
Who do you want to be the Alpha Male? Burks, a 2nd year player who has done basically nothing? Mo, who tries to be but isn't good enough to back it up? Favors, just to quiet and nice. Milsap, to tries hard but also just isnt that type of guy. Gordon, also not an alpha type. I dont think Ty is breeding anything out of them. It wasn't there in the first place.
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Burks at least seems to have the attitude of an alpha male and seems to flourish when he is allowed to be the alpha male (summer league, college, pre-season).
Maybe he wont be good enough to back it up, but i would like to find out if he is good enough or not..... right now we are not being allowed to see if he could be our alpha dog and that is the problem.
Maybe Burks is showing in practice that he can be our alpha dog and a dominant scorer but like NAOS said TyCo might just not like that trait and that may be the reason burks doesn't play.

I go back to what i was saying about westbrook, rose, durant etc.... I wonder, hypothetically, if we drafted a rose or westbrook or durant, would corbin see the ball hog alpha dog style of play and put them in the doghouse? I would hope not but im not sure that he wouldn't.

Granted I am grasping at straws with this post but after watching burks LAST season, then in summer league and pre-season, combined with everything reported about burks from training camp, I just cant understand how he can keep getting DNP's.
 
fishonjazz said:
Burks at least seems to have the attitude of an alpha male and seems to flourish when he is allowed to be the alpha male (summer league, college, pre-season).
Maybe he wont be good enough to back it up, but i would like to find out if he is good enough or not..... right now we are not being allowed to see if he could be our alpha dog and that is the problem.
Maybe Burks is showing in practice that he can be our alpha dog and a dominant scorer but like NAOS said TyCo might just not like that trait and that may be the reason burks doesn't play.

I go back to what i was saying about westbrook, rose, durant etc.... I wonder, hypothetically, if we drafted a rose or westbrook or durant, would corbin see the ball hog alpha dog style of play and put them in the doghouse? I would hope not but im not sure that he wouldn't.

Granted I am grasping at straws with this post but after watching burks LAST season, then in summer league and pre-season, combined with everything reported about burks from training camp, I just cant understand how he can keep getting DNP's.
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Well you are comparing Burks with 2 of the top 5 players in the NBA, thats not fair to Ty because Burks doesnt deserve to be compared to them.

Having an Alpha who doesnt deserve or hasnt earned it is never a good idea, I stand by the fact that when Burks starts playing well, whether it be in practice or on games he will get more playing time. There isn't a conspiracy, Burks was only the 12th pick, lets hold off on anointing him for awhile.
 
kennykyle said:
Well you are comparing Burks with 2 of the top 5 players in the NBA, thats not fair to Ty because Burks doesnt deserve to be compared to them.

Having an Alpha who doesnt deserve or hasnt earned it is never a good idea, I stand by the fact that when Burks starts playing well, whether it be in practice or on games he will get more playing time. There isn't a conspiracy, Burks was only the 12th pick, lets hold off on anointing him for awhile.
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Again you keep saying WHEN he starts playing well.... Hello? he started playing well last year, and then again in the summer, and then again in pre-season..... So according to your timetable (when he starts playing well) he should already be playing.
So we agree! cool!
 
fishonjazz said:
Again you keep saying WHEN he starts playing well.... Hello? he started playing well last year, and then again in the summer, and then again in pre-season..... So according to your timetable (when he starts playing well) he should already be playing.
So we agree! cool!
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I agree I would like to see him play, I dont agree with saying he has earned minutes or anything like that. I also dont agree with you comparing Burks to Durrant, Rose, Westbrook, Wade, like we have some top 5 player on our hands who just isnt getting a chance.
 
So my feeling on this is simple. It is Corbins job to win the current game. It is the front office who decides what players he has to use. If you want Burks to get more time, move the guy who is better then him. Burks has not looked good in the limited time he has had on the floor. Foye has looked good at times and bad at times and I think he needs to play less time. Right now no one on the team has been great every game and the team has not figured out who they are this season.

The front office has shown that they are not a tank and rebuild team. They expect the Jazz to be in the playoffs. As of right now the team is having a hard time getting wins from bad teams, and even a little extra time for a young guy that costs us 2 or 3 points could have cost us 3 or 4 games this year. Not really happy with all of Corbin's coaching right now, but wont fault him for playing who he thinks will win that night.
 
kennykyle said:
I agree I would like to see him play, I dont agree with saying he has earned minutes or anything like that. I also dont agree with you comparing Burks to Durrant, Rose, Westbrook, Wade, like we have some top 5 player on our hands who just isnt getting a chance.
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So you dont agree that he has earned minutes, but you think he should get minutes when he starts playing well..... and he started playing well last year and this summer and pre-season..... hmm, you dont seem to make sense
 
fishonjazz said:
So you dont agree that he has earned minute, but you think he should get minutes when he starts playing well..... and he started playing well last year and this summer and pre-season..... hmm, you dont seem to make sense
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Ive also said summer and preseason dont mean ****. So he played ok sometimes last year, then we got a few new players who are better than him, now he has a tougher time getting pt, I dont see whats so hard to understand.
 
kennykyle said:
Ive also said summer and preseason dont mean ****. So he played ok sometimes last year, then we got a few new players who are better than him, now he has a tougher time getting pt, I dont see whats so hard to understand.
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You said when he plays well he should get time, we both agree he played well already (last year).... he doesn't get ANY time.
I dont see what is so hard to understand.
 
Jazz Traveler said:
I have to believe there is more to the story regarding Burks. He's had a reputation in the past for being cocky and arrogant. Has it gotten worse this season? Has he been pouting and whining? Is he unsupportive of his team mates? Did he mouth off to Corbin?

The kid has a tremendous amount of talent. There's no reason he shouldn't be getting minutes. If the rumors regarding Burks being shipped out are true, then it must be due to his off court demeanor. I can't imagine the Jazz brass wanting to give up on him for any other reason.
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This could be true. However, I recall Corbin being asked early this season if Burks would play more. He said that Alec had worked hard, and deserved mins.
His tone was that we had a log jam, and that Burks was the odd man out. He might not be telling us the full story, but I believe it's a case of Corbin
wanting to play the vets(nothing more).


We've haven't heard any negative story about Burks or his work eithic with the Jazz.
 
fishonjazz said:
I agree, and im not saying burks is like those guys i mentioned but it seems like if we were to draft a guy like derrick rose (cocky, ball hog type) we wouldn't use him properly and jazz fanz would crucify him for his ball hog ways.
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at this poitn i'd trade jeffersons no defense ball hogging minutes for burks ballhogging .
just to try it out
 
maybe this is just ty giving the vets time so they will have trade value come the break and we can trade some one off the books... thoughts?
 
JGolds said:
maybe this is just ty giving the vets time so they will have trade value come the break and we can trade some one off the books... thoughts?
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Makes sense for Big Al Sap, but those guys are taking Burks mins. We aren't trading Marvin or Foye.
 
kennykyle said:
Foye knocks down 3's ..... I think thats why he plays.
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haha, yes but sometimes it gives al a cahnce to feature his potentially kick out of the double teams that he attracts.. I dont think ty is a smart coach... there are alot better, but there are also alot worse. i am hoping he is still just playing with rotations. burks does deseve a few mins a game. he brings energy and instant movment. i dont agree with with peolpe saying he should get all of foyes mins foye brings something to the jazz they havent had in a long time THREE POINTERS!!! but he also sucks at D.... we have alot of good players ZERO greats
 
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