Mission Accomplished is a troll good lord whose existence is based around having one really controversial bad take. Now that Hayward is gone I guess he has to attach himself to a new player to hate that makes no sense.
Burks Getting Trade Attention
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Mission Accomplished
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I never said same exact player. No one on the Jazz current roster is Mitchell besides Michell. His game is similar he is playing with the second unit so his whole role is different. Mitchell wasn't finishing at the rim his first little bit. It took time for him to build confidence like LeBron said given the same type of development investment and follow through who's to say he could not have been better.
Kanter, is finally blossoming when they are letting him play not try to make a three point chucking big out of him. Same will happen to Favors and Burks when they leave.
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Kanter, is finally blossoming when they are letting him play not try to make a three point chucking big out of him. Same will happen to Favors and Burks when they leave.
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I can agree with you that maybe Burks becomes something after he leaves Utah. For some reason, he has always been on the outs. Maybe it's because he plays completely out of control, or maybe it's because there is a disconnect with the coaching.
But don't even bring up Favors. We have gone above and beyond and out of our way for years to cater to the guy. More than 5 years ago, we should have told him to cut the crap and play center like he should. Instead, he feels like he's a PF and he never develops into anything special. Like you said, we made Kanter stand out and shoot three's. Hell, we made Millsap try to play SF.
If and hopefully soon when Favors goes elsewhere, I hope he has success. I really do. However, that will never be the fault of the Jazz. We did everything humanly possible to support him and make him a good player.
Who tried to make him into a three point chucking big? He spent 3.5 years with us, played 265 games, and attempted 44 threes.
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Except that Favors had to put up with the Hayward orgy fest that the Jazz gave him while they shaved Favors minutes. After last year Favors seemed to lose interest in the Jazz scheme. He seems different now that Hayward is gone. But, this obsession with stretch fours while telling him he is a five is plain dumb.
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When he averaged 0.8 attempts per game?
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I agree with you in some points but believe a healthy Burks would have presented a better argument, we have never been able to witness that ...
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Who am I exactly hating on. There is one play that is getting too many minutes that is Ingles. I'm saying Burks is good. Better then the fan base treats him.
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You mean he was chucking more than 0.8 per game?
Chargers Jazz Angels
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burks for Mirotic and Favors for Brogdon (hell I would go Burks and a first)
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Nope Jazz goal was to make him a stretch player. Just because he didn't shoot didn't mean that he wasn't standing out on the arc.
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So dumb! Out of control? How long have you watched him? Never mind. Not worth it. But the guy was the man 2 years ago. In fact one could argue he was the better player out of him and Hayward. But you see what you want to see.
No, that was never arguable.
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Favors was the third pick. Hayward the 9th. But, the Jazz felt they had a star in Hayward so they invested more heavily in Hayward. It is a cycle the Jazz always do this give certain players a bigger role more focus. It will continue to happen.
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LoPo
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I dont mind Burks. Our coaching staff doesnt seem to believe in him, but I have always been okay with him.
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Mission Accomplished
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I think It is very hypocritical that fans can be down on Burks. But, don't dare be down on any other player or you are horrible.
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They were pretty close in the 15-16 season. The next year Hayward stepped up and Favors was hurt which is when the players separated. But that 15-16 season they were fairly close talent and production wise with Favors being the younger player.
Per 100 PPG: Favors 27 Hayward 28.8
Per 100 Rebounds: Favors 13.4 Hayward 7.2
Per 100 Assists: Favors 2.5 Hayward 5.4
Per 100 Blocks: Favors 2.4 Hayward 0.5
Per 100 Steals: Favors 2.0 Hayward 1.7
Per 100 TOV: Favors 2.8 Hayward 3.7
PER: Favors 21.6 Hayward 18.3
Offensive Rating: Favors 111 Hayward 110
Defensive Rating: Favors 101 Hayward 105
WS: Favors 7.1 Hayward 8.9
But WS per 48: Favors .173 Hayward .147
BPM: Favors 2.7 Hayward 2.5
The list could go on but the point is it was very close. Favors was a much better defensive player that year by a long stretch over Hayward who was not a good defender yet. On offense Hayward was doing a little more but Favors was more efficient and getting points. Favors got hurt towards the end which is where things started going south for him. But he was better at almost every stat in the game and they were neck and neck that year.