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But...like really.....how the **** are we gonna get a star?

dalamon said:
"The only thing holding him back" is that he is their team's top-scorer, and probably their first option on offense-- which is why Indiana still remains a bottom 10 NBA offense.

His defense is elite, his offense is not. He is not a franchise-changing player. If we dropped Hayward, and we picked up Paul George, would our team instantly be among the best? Now replace that comparison with the "real" superstars (Durant, Lebron, Chris Paul, Curry, even Hibbert).

Definitely not a superstar.
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Hibbert is a "real" superstar? uhh, ok.
 
dalamon said:
"The only thing holding him back" is that he is their team's top-scorer, and probably their first option on offense-- which is why Indiana still remains a bottom 10 NBA offense.

His defense is elite, his offense is not. He is not a franchise-changing player. If we dropped Hayward, and we picked up Paul George, would our team instantly be among the best? Now replace that comparison with the "real" superstars (Durant, Lebron, Chris Paul, Curry, even Hibbert).

Definitely not a superstar.
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Exactly, if you watched any of the Allstar game or looked at the stats, you saw that he didn't get hugh numbers and he wasn't too effective because there's no defense in that game.
 
Revolution 9 said:
Top ten in dunking, hype, and Lebronish in the playoffs.
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You mean Lebronish as in way good or was that a knock on him?

Did you watch the playoffs last year? Paul George was awesome against Miami and basically announced himself as a star in that series.
 
Paul George is arguably the best two-way player in the NBA, but he somehow isn't one of the best players in the NBA. Can someone help me understand how that is possible?
 
Doublea said:
Exactly, if you watched any of the Allstar game or looked at the stats, you saw that he didn't get hugh numbers and he wasn't too effective because there's no defense in that game.
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Bahahaha we are judging players based on All Star game performance now??
 
dalamon said:
"The only thing holding him back" is that he is their team's top-scorer, and probably their first option on offense-- which is why Indiana still remains a bottom 10 NBA offense.

His defense is elite, his offense is not. He is not a franchise-changing player. If we dropped Hayward, and we picked up Paul George, would our team instantly be among the best? Now replace that comparison with the "real" superstars (Durant, Lebron, Chris Paul, Curry, even Hibbert).

Definitely not a superstar.
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Iawtp
 
Holy **** did dalamon srs just say Hibbert is a superstar that would make any team elite??

Lolololololol



#nTn
 
NUMBERICA said:
Paul George is arguably the best two-way player in the NBA, but he somehow isn't one of the best players in the NBA. Can someone help me understand how that is possible?
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You make a good point but dala makes a good point too

If you replace hayward with george we would still not be very good.

Replace hayward with lebron, durant and we are pretty damn good.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Hibbert is a "real" superstar? uhh, ok.
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Wanna address this for me, then:

He is not a franchise-changing player. If we dropped Hayward, and we picked up Paul George, would our team instantly be among the best? Now replace that comparison with the "real" superstars (Durant, Lebron, Chris Paul, Curry, even Hibbert).
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I would George over every player not named Durant or Lebron. I would maybe consider CP3, but I think his game is more suited toward the regular season.
 
fishonjazz said:
You make a good point but dala makes a good point too

If you replace hayward with george we would still not be very good.

Replace hayward with lebron, durant and we are pretty damn good.
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Well, they are def on different tiers.

LeBron and Durant are all time greats and transcendent players, but George is still a star.



#nTn
 
fishonjazz said:
You make a good point but dala makes a good point too

If you replace hayward with george we would still not be very good.

Replace hayward with lebron, durant and we are pretty damn good.
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Lebron and Durant are in their own category. They own the 1st tier, no one else is in it. Then you get into Chris Paul (here because of health problems and that he's a sieve defensively), Curry (no defense), Harden (no defense) territory which is where George exists and yes, defense is a HUGE part of that (IT'S HALF OF THE GAME OF BASKETBALL, after all).

Players like George are rarer than a scorer that only plays on that side of the floor.
 
UGLI baby said:
Well, they are def on different tiers.

LeBron and Durant are all time greats and transcendent players, but George is still a star.



#nTn
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Fact.

People are confusing super-star and "holy **** this guy might be the best player ever". You can be a super-star and not be near as good as Lebron cause Lebron is that good.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Paul George is arguably the best two-way player in the NBA, but he somehow isn't one of the best players in the NBA. Can someone help me understand how that is possible?
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If I'm building a team I want to win championships with, I'm either going to choose one of the most offensively capable players in all of basketball, or an elite defensive player-- preferably a PF or C-- in order for him to mask the defensive inefficiencies of other players better than a wing-defender could.

We simply must have differing definitions of 'superstar', I guess. To me, superstar is the elite class of players that can single-handedly turn a franchise around.

You're kidding yourself if you think Paul George fits that label.
 
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