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It has nothing to do with being ashamed. There is a reason there are curtains around the voting station. Far, far more people that vote feel that the privacy of the voting process is far more sacred than one's ability to wildly clamor in public for their favorite candidate.
In past elections I would hear many friends and family members and co-workers and people on message boards and Facebook and other social media state plainly and unashamedly who they were going to vote for. Many people for each candidate would make it known

I don't hear many people supporting trump this year or admitting that they will vote for him. I think there are many closet supporters of trump that don't want anyone to know they support him. Is feeling ashamed the reason? Embarrassed? Idk, I just know that I have not seen so many people hide who they are voting for in past elections.
I think it's obvious that this crop of candidates is worse than usual. Do you think it's not?
 
It has nothing to do with being ashamed. There is a reason there are curtains around the voting station. Far, far more people that vote feel that the privacy of the voting process is far more sacred than one's ability to wildly clamor in public for their favorite candidate.


this election will hinge on the amount of closet Trump supporters that are lurking in the shadows. I potentially liken it to the fact that nobody claims to actually shop at Wal-Mart or eat at McDonald's yet the stores are usually vibrant and McDonald's drive through is usually filled with cars.

From this part of your own post it you sure make it sound like there are some ashamed (Maybe a better word is embarrassed?) trump supporters out there.
 
It has nothing to do with being ashamed. There is a reason there are curtains around the voting station. Far, far more people that vote feel that the privacy of the voting process is far more sacred than one's ability to wildly clamor in public for their favorite candidate.

I agreed with every word of your first post but not this one.
I have worn a Trump hat since November of 2015.

I have been **** you'd, called a racist, a bigot, you name it. I've been pushed, shoved and spit at (not on). I think most people wish to avoid these things.

I laugh it off.

It's way more than just privacy. In fact, I know several people that publicly state they're going to reluctantly vote for Hillary, yet I know for sure they'll be casting for Trump. So dumb... but they just don't want to be labeled the way I described above.

I too am far from sure there's enough closet voters to overtake the policy line dems, but I think there are many millions of them that will show up and slip behind the curtain.
 
In my personal experience, Trump supporters often do not say who they are voting for because those initiating the discussion are so vehemently anti-Trump and they don't feel up to the argument. I'm pretty sure I have caused that reaction in some friends and family and coworkers. They decide it is better to stay quiet. I get passionate about the subject and those with less strong opinions shy away. I need to do better at allowing others their opinions.

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In my personal experience, Trump supporters often do not say who they are voting for because those initiating the discussion are so vehemently anti-Trump and they don't feel up to the argument. I'm pretty sure I have caused that reaction in some friends and family and coworkers. They decide it is better to stay quiet. I get passionate about the subject and those with less strong opinions shy away. I need to do better at allowing others their opinions.

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It's weird. I've never seen it this bad (both the candidates and the average American).
I was in Park City with two other couples and one of the wives was wearing a "Make America Great Again" hat. She went to the restroom in a nice restaurant and was intentionally tripped along the way.

Just doesn't seem the American way...
but I guess we are all "evolving."
 
I keep telling myself to just treat this as a reality TV show and appreciate the entertainment of it all. Nothing I can do about it at this point and I need to let it affect me a little less.

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I have been **** you'd, called a racist, a bigot, you name it. I've been pushed, shoved and spit at (not on). I think most people wish to avoid these things.

Dat **** aint right man. I hate trump as much as anyone and I'm shocked than anyone would support him.
But I won't be a dick to someone just because they support him.
Anyone who wants to come out of the shadows/closet and pledge support for trump doesn't have to worry about me hating them or treating then differently for it.

I still love peeks. And I still love joeybags even if we disagree and I will try to always treat anyone with respect who treats me with respect.
 
In my personal experience, Trump supporters often do not say who they are voting for because those initiating the discussion are so vehemently anti-Trump and they don't feel up to the argument. I'm pretty sure I have caused that reaction in some friends and family and coworkers. They decide it is better to stay quiet. I get passionate about the subject and those with less strong opinions shy away. I need to do better at allowing others their opinions.

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Good point
 
The Iraq war is not Clintons fault. That is all on the Bush Administration for lying to everyone and charging in. Hillary did vote for the war. She was against and voted against the preemptive strike (which is where the actual war began and the fighting, that was a bigger deal in the iraq fiasco and she correctly was against it) and like most senators did not want Bush going in and ignoring UN. She wanted to follow with the UN and continue negotiating. Hillary has said she greatly regretted this and has personally wrote or visited every family in NY who had someone die in the Iraq while Senator. Most senators that Voted for the war were under the impression that negations would continue and US would go along with UN. Bush lied about that and deceived many people.

Clinton did vote for the war though and many people are opposed to that but the blame for that war is not on her. Yes it was a large mistake but you also forget that the vast majority of Americans wanted us to go in. She represented what her constituents wanted her to do. It is super easy to look back and see mistakes and blame people for them. Unlike most people Clinton has said she made a mistake and took actions to fix that. She was trying to be bi-partisan to solve a large crisis and outcry in the US, she made the mistake of thinking that is what the Republicans were trying to do. Clinton has done a great deal in an effort of trying to make the world and the US a better place and she has made decisions that she thought were best for our country, unfortunately, like every person in power ever, wrong decision have occurred.

Did you read that website about her voting policy, quotes and actions about and during the Iraq war? I think a lot of people just want to hate her for various reasons and most of them are personal or what is represented by biased sources. Read her record on these issues for a non biased source.

As far as Trump goes have you read his foreign policy or heard him talk about it? It is basically non existent and what he does have he has no plan of how to carry it out. He just makes ludicrous statements like they are facts and sticks to them. If he gets caught in a lie he changes the subject or claims he didnt say something he is on record saying. I have read Clintons foreign policy have you? I agree with way more if it than Trumps. More of Hillarys voting history in regards to Iraq and foreign policy I agree with, I am guessing might as well if you read through it.

I could go on but I think that blind Hate for certain canditates is too much to overcome. People, especially Utahn's, are going to hate Clinton regardless of what she has done and will do.

[MENTION=181]Broncster[/MENTION], I've been busy but I wanted to get back to you in what I think is a healthy discussion. About the war in Iraq, we admit that it was a mistake. To make a mistake of such caliber should be grounds to quit politics, forever. When you make a mistake that directly affects the lives of thousands of civilians you should show more dignity as a person. This apologetic approach to the mistakes Hillary has made in the past comes through to me as going against "the other guy" more than anything.

At this point, when you say that Donald Trump's foreign policy is basically non existent this is actually music to my ears. I'd rather have a non existent foreign policy than an overly interventionist policy. When Trump says things like "Why can't be friends with Russia?" I'm absolutely on board. My biggest fear about Hillary is if she decides to attempt to end Assad's regime the same way she supported ending Gaddafi's. Russia has Assad's back, is it worth it to risk a direct confrontation with Russia?

What's your stand on the role the US should have in the world? Do you support having military bases over 100 countries in the world, do you think this benefits the way other countries see us?
Don't you think it's time the DoD actually focuses on defense, rather than offense? The US foreign policy is that of interventionism, policing the world, attempting to force our views into other countries and fear mongering. I'm sorry but Hillary doesn't lead me into thinking that we're heading in the opposite direction like we should.
 
There is no evidence at all that happened
Other than the fact that they asked her to turn them over and she essentially said, "Just give me some time to delete the ones that aren't any of your business."

Do you think the FBI would have allowed a regular citizen to do the same thing under those circumstances? If so, you're crazy.
 
Dat **** aint right man. I hate trump as much as anyone and I'm shocked than anyone would support him.
But I won't be a dick to someone just because they support him.
Anyone who wants to come out of the shadows/closet and pledge support for trump doesn't have to worry about me hating them or treating then differently for it.

I still love peeks. And I still love joeybags even if we disagree and I will try to always treat anyone with respect who treats me with respect.

Thanks fish I agree, there's no need to stir the waters if you disagree with someone and cause a tense situation, this only encourages those who you disagree with to be driven further away from your views.
 
So sad that people are ashamed to admit that they will vote for a candidate, yet apparently want that candidate that they are ashamed of to be the president of the United States.
Look at what happened on this site yesterday when some people said that certain insults against one of the candidates were uncalled for. Those who hate that candidate went on the attack. I'll bet there are a ton of people who see that and decide they'd rather keep their opinion private until voting day.
 
In my personal experience, Trump supporters often do not say who they are voting for because those initiating the discussion are so vehemently anti-Trump and they don't feel up to the argument. I'm pretty sure I have caused that reaction in some friends and family and coworkers. They decide it is better to stay quiet. I get passionate about the subject and those with less strong opinions shy away. I need to do better at allowing others their opinions.

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That or they are the in your face jerks that don't allow for dissenting opinion. No middle ground.

This election has been extremely polarizing. It is only going to get worse no matter who wins.
 
That or they are the in your face jerks that don't allow for dissenting opinion. No middle ground.

This election has been extremely polarizing. It is only going to get worse no matter who wins.

I for one will be totally respectful to the voters of the losing candidate if my guy wins.
#goodsport
 
In past elections I would hear many friends and family members and co-workers and people on message boards and Facebook and other social media state plainly and unashamedly who they were going to vote for. Many people for each candidate would make it known

I don't hear many people supporting trump this year or admitting that they will vote for him. I think there are many closet supporters of trump that don't want anyone to know they support him. Is feeling ashamed the reason? Embarrassed? Idk, I just know that I have not seen so many people hide who they are voting for in past elections.
I think it's obvious that this crop of candidates is worse than usual. Do you think it's not?

I think part of it is Trump's outrageous character. I could care less if he swears like a sailor so as long as his actions as President of the US go in favor of the people of this country. In my case this is coming down to how much I can trust him as being the independent thinker, the "outsider" that he claims to be. And my trust in him has greatly declined ever since he chose Pence as his running mate.
 
Look at what happened on this site yesterday when some people said that certain insults against one of the candidates were uncalled for. Those who hate that candidate went on the attack. I'll bet there are a ton of people who see that and decide they'd rather keep their opinion private until voting day.
Basically what JazzGal posted below. (Which is a good point)
In my personal experience, Trump supporters often do not say who they are voting for because those initiating the discussion are so vehemently anti-Trump and they don't feel up to the argument. I'm pretty sure I have caused that reaction in some friends and family and coworkers. They decide it is better to stay quiet. I get passionate about the subject and those with less strong opinions shy away. I need to do better at allowing others their opinions.

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Good point
 
This contest is not a traditional election that generally is focused on the usual worn out issues that both parties have been recycling throughout my lifetime. In fact, one could argue it is far less a partisan election than portrayed. Trump's success to date is surprising every media pundit/expert, the entrenched pathetic Republican leadership, and obviously the democrat power base and their Pavlovian voters.

The mistake being made in analyzing Trump is one of frame of reference. Those I mentioned above are viewing Trump through the lens of everything that he "is" while his supporters are viewing him through the lens of everything that he "is not." Trump is not the Republican candidate, he is the "middle finger" candidate. This is not Clinton vs. Trump, this is the professional/establishment politician vs. the non-professional/anti-establishment politician. Trump's candidacy isn't about policy or positions or agenda's, it is a candidacy of sticking it up the backside to both the entrenched career politicians on both sides.

Against this backdrop there is no foe more fitting than Hillary. The perfect foil. Every disgusting, vile, political establishment stereotype rolled up into on perfect pant suit package. Central casting couldn't have done any better.

It is also a big "middle finger" to the media. Every attack launched that calls Trump a moron, an ego maniac, incompetent, etc. doesn't decrease his chance of getting elected, it increases it. It is like trying to put out a fire on the verge of spreading by throwing gasoline on it. The elites on the left and their media minions are taking the bait hook, line, and sinker.

Trump is Lorne Malvo in Fargo during the Syndicate shooting.

I have zero clue if he can carry this out to November, but he is far from over. There is a lot of low hanging fruit out there once he gets into the debates. Hillary should be polling in a landslide, but Silver has it within the margin of error.


I am guessing, and it is only a guess, that this election will hinge on the amount of closet Trump supporters that are lurking in the shadows. I potentially liken it to the fact that nobody claims to actually shop at Wal-Mart or eat at McDonald's yet the stores are usually vibrant and McDonald's drive through is usually filled with cars. My guess there is quite a large number of voters that don't openly support Trump, but may get in the privacy of the voting booth and pull a level to flip off the establishment. The voting equivalent of Sherlock Holmes's dog that is not barking.

I am just not sure it is enough for victory.

The democrats could not have voted in a more terrible candidate to go against Trump than Hillary Clinton.


I don't think it will be a landslide. Not even close. I can't even imagine what controversy would compromise Trump's career.

He's gonna throttle her in debates, and we all know how tough it can be for certain social groups to come out to the polls in droves.

I say it's a 52/48 split one way or another-- and if the debates go how I'm worried they'll go, I think it'll be Trump that wins.

3 SCOTUS judges, all red. Brutal.
 
Dat **** aint right man. I hate trump as much as anyone and I'm shocked than anyone would support him.
But I won't be a dick to someone just because they support him.
Anyone who wants to come out of the shadows/closet and pledge support for trump doesn't have to worry about me hating them or treating then differently for it.

I still love peeks. And I still love joeybags even if we disagree and I will try to always treat anyone with respect who treats me with respect.


It's hard to demand politeness if Trump is scapegoating entire social groups man.


There's people dying on American streets because of the rhetoric that Trump is espousing. How can you ask people NOT to be offended?
 
It's hard to demand politeness if Trump is scapegoating entire social groups man.


There's people dying on American streets because of the rhetoric that Trump is espousing. How can you ask people NOT to be offended?
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