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dalamon said:
What were these sound policies that Romney was advocating for? ALso this whole notion of "unachievable policies" turns me off because every precedent that society has set was at one time unimaginable
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I actually have no idea what Romneys policies were, which is exactly my point!! They were probly too realistic and well thought out for me to remember!
 
UGLI baby said:
I actually have no idea what Romneys policies were, which is exactly my point!! They were probly too realistic and well thought out for me to remember!
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Romney oversaw Massachusetts health care reform which mandated every resident of Massachusetts obtaining a minimum level of insurance coverage, providing free health care insurance for residents earning less than 150% of the federal poverty level; and forced employers with more than 10 "full-time" employees to provide healthcare insurance.


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This was not "realistic policy decision making" with respect to the political climate of 2006, nor now. Hillary herself doesn't have a health care policy this progressive. That's not to see that he didn't agree with all of it-- he vetoed 8 different measures, but they were all overturned. The outcomes have largely been positive.

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It's carless in my opinion to characterize politics so simplistically. The last time America had a president who made "outlandish promises" to the working class at the expense of the elites, they had to come up with term limits in order to stop re-electing him.
 
dalamon said:
Romney oversaw Massachusetts health care reform which mandated every resident of Massachusetts obtaining a minimum level of insurance coverage, providing free health care insurance for residents earning less than 150% of the federal poverty level; and forced employers with more than 10 "full-time" employees to provide healthcare insurance.


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This was not "realistic policy decision making" with respect to the political climate of 2006, nor now. Hillary herself doesn't have a health care policy this progressive. That's not to see that he didn't agree with all of it-- he vetoed 8 different measures, but they were all overturned. The outcomes have largely been positive.

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It's carless in my opinion to characterize politics so simplistically. The last time America had a president who made "outlandish promises" to the working class at the expense of the elites, they had to come up with term limits in order to stop re-electing him.
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I just think that people vote for the President according to how much they have promised to do for a person like them, as opposed to how well they will run the country as a whole.

I don't know what you mean about that being careless, I think it sucks that its like that, but thats the way I see it.
 
dalamon said:
Romney oversaw Massachusetts health care reform which mandated every resident of Massachusetts obtaining a minimum level of insurance coverage, providing free health care insurance for residents earning less than 150% of the federal poverty level; and forced employers with more than 10 "full-time" employees to provide healthcare insurance.


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This was not "realistic policy decision making" with respect to the political climate of 2006, nor now. Hillary herself doesn't have a health care policy this progressive. That's not to see that he didn't agree with all of it-- he vetoed 8 different measures, but they were all overturned. The outcomes have largely been positive.

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It's carless in my opinion to characterize politics so simplistically. The last time America had a president who made "outlandish promises" to the working class at the expense of the elites, they had to come up with term limits in order to stop re-electing him.
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What does state policy have to do with national policy? This is one of the biggest fallacies Americans make when judging a governor turned presidential candidate. What you wrote is irrelevant.

Mitt is almost over-the-top reasonable and anyone who says otherwise is either biased, an angry conservative mad that he won the primary, or an anti-Mormon looking for an excuse to hate on him (I work with several Catholics who won't admit to this stance but it is obvious). I could write something similar for Hillary haters.
 
UGLI baby said:
Post your prediction of who becomes President in 2016. Not who you want to win, but your prediction. Posting this waaaaaaay out to be able to look back and see who called it before the Hillary vs Trump race heated up.

My prediction...


Donald J. Trump



(I am 100% sure)
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I'm now 104% sure.

The polls are always wrong about the Donald.

Hillary's only chance is if she can rally people to "Stop Trump". People aren't going to enthusiastically go to the polls to vote for Hillary. Trump supporters are rabid, and will show up to the polls. Plus, all of the people who will never admit to supporting Trump, but will vote for him when they are alone in a booth.

On November 8th, 2016 Mr. Donald J. Trump is gonnna grab em by the ***** and Make America Great Again.
 
UGLI baby said:
I'm now 104% sure.

The polls are always wrong about the Donald.

Hillary's only chance is if she can rally people to "Stop Trump". People aren't going to enthusiastically go to the polls to vote for Hillary. Trump supporters are rabid, and will show up to the polls. Plus, all of the people who will never admit to supporting Trump, but will vote for him when they are alone in a booth.

On November 8th, 2016 Mr. Donald J. Trump is gonnna grab em by the ***** and Make America Great Again.
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I agree with you about the polls. That's exactly what happened with Brexit and Colombia. There is a very real chance that Trump has lost the Presidency, House, and Senate for the Republicans. There is also a real chance Trump wins. As a father with a daughter, it's hard for me to get on board with #GEBTPMAGA. Trump's a piece of **** and the dregs of humankind. Generations after us will wonder how stupid and devoid of morals we could have been to elect this purveyor of snake oil. Trump wants nothing more than to make the world his personal playground and its denizens his subjects.
 
JJAS said:
I agree with you about the polls. That's exactly what happened with Brexit and Colombia. There is a very real chance that Trump has lost the Presidency, House, and Senate for the Republicans. There is also a real chance Trump wins. As a father with a daughter, it's hard for me to get on board with #GEBTPMAGA. Trump's a piece of **** and the dregs of humankind. Generations after us will wonder how stupid and devoid of morals we could have been to elect this purveyor of snake oil. Trump wants nothing more than to make the world his personal playground and its denizens his subjects.
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Wait, you're anti-Trump??
 
I believe the polls. That’s why I was concerned when Trump pulled close to Clinton in the days before the first debate. One more stumble from Clinton, whether political or health related, and I believed she would have been in real danger of losing. Since then Trump has an unprecedented two week run of political incompetence. The successful appeal to his rabid base in last night’s debate saved Trump from the indignity of being forced out as his party’s nominee. But that’s all it did. It will now take an historical free fall in her support for Clinton to lose.

Time is running out for Trump. Early voting has started in earnest in many states. Undecided voters are dwindling. Only twenty-eight days until the election. The Princeton Election Consortium, the most accurate poll aggregator for the last two presidential elections, now puts Clinton at a 93 percent win probability. That’s before the results from *****gate have had a chance to be calculated.

If Trump can’t turn things around in the next week or two I can see his campaign imploding in truly unhinged and unimaginable ways. Once Trump realizes he has no chance to win he will have public meltdowns of epic proportions. His speeches will progress from their current inarticulate gibberish into a madman’s incomprehensible glossolalia. It will be beautiful and terrifying to watch.

(I had to look it up. I knew there was a word for speaking in tongues, but wasn’t sure what it was or how it was spelled. Turns out it’s glossolalia.)
 
Jonah said:
I believe the polls. That’s why I was concerned when Trump pulled close to Clinton in the days before the first debate. One more stumble from Clinton, whether political or health related, and I believed she would have been in real danger of losing. Since then Trump has an unprecedented two week run of political incompetence. The successful appeal to his rabid base in last night’s debate saved Trump from the indignity of being forced out as his party’s nominee. But that’s all it did. It will now take an historical free fall in her support for Clinton to lose.

Time is running out for Trump. Early voting has started in earnest in many states. Undecided voters are dwindling. Only twenty-eight days until the election. The Princeton Election Consortium, the most accurate poll aggregator for the last two presidential elections, now puts Clinton at a 93 percent win probability. That’s before the results from *****gate have had a chance to be calculated.

If Trump can’t turn things around in the next week or two I can see his campaign imploding in truly unhinged and unimaginable ways. Once Trump realizes he has no chance to win he will have public meltdowns of epic proportions. His speeches will progress from their current inarticulate gibberish into a madman’s incomprehensible glossolalia. It will be beautiful and terrifying to watch.

(I had to look it up. I knew there was a word for speaking in tongues, but wasn’t sure what it was or how it was spelled. Turns out it’s glossolalia.)
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I love you, Jonah! Thanks for keeping me from a total meltdown.
 
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