Can Jazz lead the NBA in rebounding

[tleikheen]

Sure Utah finished 23rd last year in rebounding(41.2),The top rebounding team averaged (46.4).That's a (5.2) rebounding differential.

Kanter is the starter,Marvin Williams is gone.Kanter averaged 7.5 ,starting he should be 10 plus rebounds
Favors alot of the times was the only legit rebounder with Marvin Wms and Jefferson being weak rebounders.Teams cheated on Favors .Kanter would eliminate the cheating,forcing one on one boxouts to be done on Kanter and Favors.
Slide Haywards 5 rebounds over to SF and minus Jefferson's weak 2.7 rebounds.
Burks and Exum are going to get alot of time together ,that's a big guard tandem ....another rebounding advantage .

Now the biggest advantage ,Gobert only averaged 3.4 rebounds ,he can easily double that.Utah has rebounding advantages all over the court.Even Rodney can rebound ,Ditto Booker .
With a top rebounding team ,teams can't cheat on fast breaks against the Jazz.Try cheating on the Jazz and you pay on giving up offensive boards.
So far we've seen Gobert come back stronger at 22,we've seen Hayward stronger at 24 .What's next ,should we expect both Favors (23) and Kanter (22) tougher and stronger as well.

Rebounding could be the 1st step back to winning more games.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Nope.

But should be one of the few areas of improvement. #7/8, I'd say.

 

[ema]

Sure Utah finished 23rd last year in rebounding(41.2),The top rebounding team averaged (46.4).That's a (5.2) rebounding differential.

Kanter is the starter,Marvin Williams is gone.Kanter averaged 7.5 ,starting he should be 10 plus rebounds
Favors alot of the times was the only legit rebounder with Marvin Wms and Jefferson being weak rebounders.Teams cheated on Favors .Kanter would eliminate the cheating,forcing one on one boxouts to be done on Kanter and Favors.
Slide Haywards 5 rebounds over to SF and minus Jefferson's weak 2.7 rebounds.
Burks and Exum are going to get alot of time together ,that's a big guard tandem ....another rebounding advantage .

Now the biggest advantage ,Gobert only averaged 3.4 rebounds ,he can easily double that.Utah has rebounding advantages all over the court.Even Rodney can rebound ,Ditto Booker .
With a top rebounding team ,teams can't cheat on fast breaks against the Jazz.Try cheating on the Jazz and you pay on giving up offensive boards.
So far we've seen Gobert come back stronger at 22,we've seen Hayward stronger at 24 .What's next ,should we expect both Favors (23) and Kanter (22) tougher and stronger as well.

Rebounding could be the 1st step back to winning more games.

You are a bit too optimistic but I too believe we could improve massively on the glass. However it's very dependent on the defense, because it doesn't matter how many good rebounders you have if you can't make your opponent miss shots.

But more importantly, it's related with our game style and pace. High pace means much more rebounds to collect. But I'm not crazy about leading the league in total or average rebounds. The rebounding percentage is more important and the Jazz were mediocre at that. We could certainly improve it the coming season.

And of course the most important is the FG%, I would rather prefer being a top ten team at FG% than being in top ten in rebounds. However those are interrelated so we can't be very good at one and very bad at the other.

 

[stitches]

A bit of off-topic: I recently watched a video that showed that the high paced teams score more, but also concede more(high ppp, and high ppp for the opponent as well). I can't remember where I saw that stats, to link you... They divided the teams into 5 categories depending on average possessions per game. The high-paced teams were the worst teams, while the best teams were the ones with second to last pace. In general there is increase in quality from highest pace to second lowest, and then there is a drop for the last category with the slowest teams in the league. In other words - pace is overrated. We should play fast(move the ball, etc.), but not shoot fast.

On topic: I don't think it's as easy as straight up math of adding up and subtracting rebounds. Rebounding happens within a team setting and the whole team should become better at rebounding, not only individually, but also as a team. Sometimes the team rebounding could go up when individual physical players don't themselves go for the rebound, but instead box out the best rebounders(or rebounders in best position) of the opposing team, thus not benefiting in their own statsheet, but benefiting the team cause. I feel like if we get into the top half of the table, that would be huge improvement(I would even be happy if we are 16-18th) and a nice start for the following seasons, when our young players would have learned, would have more experience, would have gained some extra muscle mass, etc.

 

[ema]

^^I truly hate fast paced teams. I'm a traditional half court basketball idealist. A la Yugoslavian/Spurs school.

 

[tleikheen]

However it's very dependent on the defense, because it doesn't matter how many good rebounders you have if you can't make your opponent miss shots.

A coaching change and players knowing that management will back up the new coach will help in accountability.A coaching change in effect gives the players a somewhat new slate to start over in all phases ...defense...offense and rebounding.Lets assume the Jazz won't be as bad in team defense as they were under Corbin.

And of course the most important is the FG%, I would rather prefer being a top ten team at FG% than being in top ten in rebounds.

Being a team that is full of players 22,23,24 years old have young legs and energy that works more to rebounding than high FG%.As it is now ,Kanter ,Favors and Gobert have the strength to be big rebounders now and that isn't optimistic thinking.Kanter and Favors have already demonstrated they can be big time rebounders.A steady diet of playing time should reinforce that.Gobert is showing everybody he is ready to do the same.Teams won't be able to relax on these 3 Jazz interior players.I don't view that as optimistic thinking but just doing what they've shown they can do and Gobert is showing now.Rebounding is more of a known now.....

High team FG% usually goes to teams with experience and continuity.With a new coach and system ,team FG% will be an unknown.One thing is for sure Utah should be longer horizontally as well as vertically so hopefully this gets to be an advantage also

I don't think it's as easy as straight up math of adding up and subtracting rebounds. Rebounding happens within a team setting and the whole team should become better at rebounding, not only individually, but also as a team.

It is as easy as adding up and subtracting rebounds when you know the players being talked about.You subtract Marvin Williams and Richard Jefferson who were poor rebounders and those minutes will go to Kanter,Gobert,and Burks,more rebounding and then it becomes a team strength to build on.Their is a team concept ,but in man to man you still have to outplay your opponent, sometimes a couple individual battles won determines the games outcome.

 

[ema]

^^^ You certainly have a weird arguing style. Can't figure out how to respond. But I could just kindly recommend not to pull our sentences out of their context and respond to them like they are single propositions. If you do that you can see that we are not that much adverse at what we are saying.

Nevertheless, I respect your opinion.

 

[Twin Towers]

Good defense gives any team the ability to get more defensive rebounds by make the opponent take harder shots and shots farther away from the basket. Or contesting shots at the rim then actually just going all out for the block.
As most people correlate good defense to steals and blocks. Great team defense doesn't usually show in the box score.

If we can become a good defensive team we can become a good rebounding team.

If we can play fast paced and constantly pass the ball so it does not "stick" as it wears down the other team physically and mentally while taking smart shots but also make sure the shots are not too soon as that leads to bad transition defense.
We have the right philosophy from Snyder and DL>
And this is also the philosophy of the Suns last year. Which became a top 10 defense with a very average or below average roster.

They are all connected to each other.

I agreed with rebounding capabilities on this team though. As pure ability and grit. We have a great team for that.

Right philosophy. Just excited to see it in action.

 

[GVC]

And this is also the philosophy of the Suns last year. Which became a top 10 defense with a very average or below average roster.

By what measure were the Suns a top 10 defense? They were 21st in points allowed per game (102.6), and didn't crack the top 10 in points allowed per 100 possessions in estimates from NBA.com (17th @ 104.4), basketball-reference.com (15th @ 106.7) and ESPN.com (13th @103.8).