Can the Alec Burks experiment please end?

[Hantlers]

Harden's numbers weren't better last night.

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Holy **** man.

 

[candrew]

His impact was greater though...

Basketball box scores are total garbage when it comes to evaluating individual player performance/ability.

One thing I noticed is that the refs weren't bailing Harden out on his drives to the basket like they often do. Another set of officials might have awarded him 12-15 free throws last night.

 

[Crawlnstall]

I think everyone can agree that harden is the overall better player than burks. However burks played well last night on a tough defensive assignment. Getting harden in foul trouble with the offensive fouls was huge. Burks is good. Give him time with Snyder and we what he can do.

 

[Hantlers]

I don't think any intelligent poster is saying Burks played poorly. He didn't. He just didn't play as well as Harden, which is expected. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[NAOS]

Can we please make this thread about Kwame Kanter™?

 

[candrew]

I don't think any intelligent poster is saying Burks played poorly. He didn't. He just didn't play as well as Harden, which is expected. Nothing wrong with that.

Exactly. If the argument is who is the better player - two-time all-star James Harden or Alec Burks then you got to feel pretty good about where AB is at this point in his career.

 

[Grandpa Jazz]

E. J. you have issues!! Please take them somewhere else. Jazz fans are homers? Well, stop the presses! The word Fan implies that. No doubt you are a homer for whatever team you actually do like as fans all over the world are for their favorite team. You are for sure not the brightest kid in the kindergarten!

 

[Harambe]

I've been saying it for three years now. He is C.J. Miles, version 2.0, and that is being generous.

Want to lose the game? Make sure number 10 is on the floor. Want to make the opposing guard look amazing? Make sure number 10 is guarding him. Want to see a whole bunch of ill-advised, quick, low percentage shots? Make sure that number 10 has the ball in his hands. Want to see un-assists? You know the drill. Ya, I said un-assists.

I wouldn't stuff Alec Burks up my *** if I had room for a Volkswagon, and neither should you.

Bro... after the first game, it's the Hayward experiment that needs to end.

 

[[size/HUGE] boobs [/size]]

I don't think any intelligent poster is saying Burks played poorly. He didn't. He just didn't play as well as Harden, which is expected. Nothing wrong with that.

Offense is stagnate when Alec plays. Replace him with Booker and boom offence spring to life. I thought Alec is spose to become spark plug off bench what happened to him?

Booker should start Alec need to stop taking minutes away.

 

[LogGrad98]

Most of all I liked his effort, but he still allowed penetration.

Is this talking about the Volkswagen again?

 

[The Fresh Prince]

Well he has no jailhouse tats.

 

[TroutBum]

Burks has more assists if his teammates hit some shots.....

So, we give him a pass because he was guarding The Beard. Now we're giving him a pass because his teammates can't hit shots? What's next? We give him a pass because the jumbo-tron is reflecting off the floor and backboard, thus making him miss more? Lucifer, save me.

Oh so this thread was made because Alec Burks isn't better than James Harden? Well now it is just a much, much worse thread than before.

No. I think the point of this thread was made in the first post. For funsies though, name a starting SG that is worse than Burks. (That isn't starting only because of an injury)

I don't think any intelligent poster is saying Burks played poorly. He didn't. He just didn't play as well as Harden, which is expected. Nothing wrong with that.

Except that is exactly what I'm saying. You are all missing the stuff that did not show up in the box score. You guys saw that we lost a very winnable game, right? He does not improve the team, regardless of how many points he has.

E. J. you have issues!!

Indeed I do. Field & Stream, Fly Tyer, Ultimate Grappling, Time, and Hustler.

Please take them somewhere else.

Where would you suggest? Perhaps an online sports forum is the wrong place to discuss things like this. The Homers of the world don't like to go into the rabbit hole, dance around it, or even think about it, so perhaps you're right. All is well, Nero!

Jazz fans are homers? Well, stop the presses! The word Fan implies that. No doubt you are a homer for whatever team you actually do like as fans all over the world are for their favorite team.

I'm a Jazz fan. I'm not a homer.

You are for sure not the brightest kid in the kindergarten!

No argument there.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Offense is stagnate when Alec plays. Replace him with Booker and boom offence spring to life. I thought Alec is spose to become spark plug off bench what happened to him?

Booker should start Alec need to stop taking minutes away.

I wasn't aware Alec and Booker play the same position.

Maybe you should have watched the game more closely to see that Houston's offense is often set up by Harden driving and either drawing contact or kicking it out for a 3. Alec is no Harden, but the Jazz NEED a player who can putt pressure on the defense by either driving and getting to the line or kicking it outside. Problem is, the Jazz had ZERO players who could hit 3's consistently - or at all.

 

[fishonjazz]

So, we give him a pass because he was guarding The Beard. Now we're giving him a pass because his teammates can't hit shots? What's next? We give him a pass because the jumbo-tron is reflecting off the floor and backboard, thus making him miss more? Lucifer, save me.

We don't need to give him a pass.
He played great last night.

 

[Jazz4ever]

Alec played great. If you can hold the beard to 33% shooting, 20% 3pt, 1.6 Assist/TO ratio you take that 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.

 

[GVC]

While I agree this was Burks most "within the offense" game, which is encouraging, but this was also the game were our offense was not running smoothly at all, which may have been why Burks was able to look like our best player.

Good post.

I didn't post in the leading scorer thread, but my thinking was that IF the offense runs smoothly, creating decent looks early-ish in the shot clock, and the Jazz do a good job getting out in transition, Gordo will likely lead the team in scoring. If the offense breaks down/doesn't create good looks and/or the team gets out in transition less (largely a function of defensive performance, which may be a function of Kanter's minutes), then Alec will likely lead the team in scoring.

 

[GVC]

For funsies though, name a starting SG that is worse than Burks. (That isn't starting only because of an injury)

Avery Bradley (BOS), Whomever ends up starting for Philly, Iman Shumpert (NYK), CJ Miles/Rodney Stuckey (Ind), Dion Waiters (Cle), Jared Dudley (Mil), KCP (Det), whomever OKC decides to start when healthy, Ben McLemore. That's 9.

The 13 I consider in a tier or two above Burks right now: DeRozan (Tor), Joe Johnson (BKN), Jimmy Butler (Chi...tough call), Dwyane Wade (Mia), Lance Stephenson (Cha), Kyle Korver (Atl...the offense is built around his shooting), Bradley Beal (Was...also close), Bledsoe/Dragic (Pho), Klay Thompson (GSW), Kobe Bryant (LAL), James Harden (Hou), Monta Ellis (Dal). That's 12 more, with a few Burks could conceivably overtake if his defense continues to look decent, as it did last night, and his spot-up shooting/decision making is on point.

The remaining 8 I have in the same tier as Alec: Victor Oladipo (Orl), Wes Matthews (Por...could be ranked above), Arron Afflalo (Den...could be ranked above), Wiggins/KMart (Min), JJ Redick (LAC), Danny Green (SAS), Eric Gordon (NOP...mostly due to injuries), Tony Allen (Mem).

Effectively, I have Alec in the 13-21 range, and think it's well within the realm of possibility that he moves into the top 10 by season's end. I'd be incredibly surprised if he ends up a bottom 5 starting SG this season .


To add to the above, Alec is one of only 4 current Jazzmen I consider proven NBA rotation players, along with Gordo, Favs and Booker. He's a 20+ minute player on pretty much every team in the league.

Except that is exactly what I'm saying. You are all missing the stuff that did not show up in the box score. You guys saw that we lost a very winnable game, right? He does not improve the team, regardless of how many points he has.

This is a joke, right? Had he scored less, and done a worse/equal job defensively on an easier cover, would he have had a better game?

 

[NAOS]

Awwwwww... poor lil Davey-Poo got his hopes up for opening night! Sorry they got dashed, honey!!

 

[TroutBum]

Awwwwww... poor lil Davey-Poo got his hopes up for opening night! Sorry they got dashed, honey!!

Homosaywhat?

 

[fishonjazz]

Avery Bradley (BOS), Whomever ends up starting for Philly, Iman Shumpert (NYK), CJ Miles/Rodney Stuckey (Ind), Dion Waiters (Cle), Jared Dudley (Mil), KCP (Det), whomever OKC decides to start when healthy, Ben McLemore. That's 9.

The 13 I consider in a tier or two above Burks right now: DeRozan (Tor), Joe Johnson (BKN), Jimmy Butler (Chi...tough call), Dwyane Wade (Mia), Lance Stephenson (Cha), Kyle Korver (Atl...the offense is built around his shooting), Bradley Beal (Was...also close), Bledsoe/Dragic (Pho), Klay Thompson (GSW), Kobe Bryant (LAL), James Harden (Hou), Monta Ellis (Dal). That's 12 more, with a few Burks could conceivably overtake if his defense continues to look decent, as it did last night, and his spot-up shooting/decision making is on point.

The remaining 8 I have in the same tier as Alec: Victor Oladipo (Orl), Wes Matthews (Por...could be ranked above), Arron Afflalo (Den...could be ranked above), Wiggins/KMart (Min), JJ Redick (LAC), Danny Green (SAS), Eric Gordon (NOP...mostly due to injuries), Tony Allen (Mem).

Effectively, I have Alec in the 13-21 range, and think it's well within the realm of possibility that he moves into the top 10 by season's end. I'd be incredibly surprised if he ends up a bottom 5 starting SG this season .


To add to the above, Alec is one of only 4 current Jazzmen I consider proven NBA rotation players, along with Gordo, Favs and Booker. He's a 20+ minute player on pretty much every team in the league.



This is a joke, right? Had he scored less, and done a worse/equal job defensively on an easier cover, would he have had a better game?

Wow
I love this post.