Lucky 8ball
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This. No way is Corbin fired. Ok if they win less than 7 games, maybe.
Can Ty Corbin get us a ring?
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This. No way is Corbin fired. Ok if they win less than 7 games, maybe.
SojoDave
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Things I hope Ty brings to the table next year...
1. I hope he has a clear defensive scheme. Hopefully different than Jerry's.
2. I hope he makes a brave choice in his starting forward and is able to have Millsap come off the bench.
3. I hope he focuses on developing young players and not give minutes to veterans like Raja.
4. I hope he can develop good chemistry with veterans Harris and Jefferson.
5. Please focus the team on rebounding...we got killed on the boards last year.
6. For the love that is all holy, please reign in CJ Miles and don't tell him that he is our "shooter off the bench".
1. I hope he has a clear defensive scheme. Hopefully different than Jerry's.
2. I hope he makes a brave choice in his starting forward and is able to have Millsap come off the bench.
3. I hope he focuses on developing young players and not give minutes to veterans like Raja.
4. I hope he can develop good chemistry with veterans Harris and Jefferson.
5. Please focus the team on rebounding...we got killed on the boards last year.
6. For the love that is all holy, please reign in CJ Miles and don't tell him that he is our "shooter off the bench".
Jimmer can, he can do anything!!
Yes the team is rebuilding but it has a great core. I really think Utah will make the playoffs next year. Things i'd like to see happen. Draft Kanter/Singleton, trade Bell and our 2012 2nd rounder for Flynn, resign Ak put Millsap on trade block with Memo and get back a few assetts.
Harris, Flynn
Hayward, Miles
AK, Singleton
Favors, Millsap
Jefferson, Kanter
Evans, Memo, and Maybe Fez. Just the right amount of Vets and Youth with potential, add in another Lotto player like Harrison Barns with the G.S. pick and you've got a solid team ready to contend
Perhaps things are changing, but I just I don’t see how trading away your only elite player in his prime is considered a will to win. This was the most defensive move we could possibly make to make sure we don’t lose Deron for nothing YEAR AND A HALF in advance his anticipated free agency. This is not taking a chance. This was playing it as safe as you possibly can by preserving value, because they were afraid they might be left with nothing a year and a half from the trade.
Even the Sloan situation. According to all accounts Sloan left because he had nothing left in the tank to even finish the season. Now, my question is: why did we keep a coach for years, who was running on almost empty? We need everyone running on all cylinders to have some kind of chance, and it actually starts with your leader, your coach. Sloan didn’t even have enough to finish the year and we still renewed his contract before season. This is ridiculous. There has to be some kind of selection process in place. We hang on for dear life to a coach, running on empty for years, even though he never even won anything when he had full tank and 2 amazing players for 2 decades. I mean give the guy 3-4-5 years , but if there is no steady progress or title, at least try to get someone else, who might do better. Cuban did that, and he has a title to show for it. Jazz played it safe, and don’t.
Gyp Rosetti
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Keep living in denial. Bro.
7StraightIsGreat
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I think so. Just look at Dallas. Rick Carlisle had been bounced from a few coaching jobs, landed in the right spot in Dallas and things fell into place for him.
Going forward, I think Dallas serves as "Exhibit A" on how the Jazz are going to try and build this team. A team with only 1 legit superstar and a bunch of role players just beat "The Big 3". It's exactly the type of thing Utah will have to hope to build because obviously, 3 legit superstars are not coming to Utah any time soon.
Utah's best bet is that Favors or this future #3 pick turns into that guy down the road. If that happens, Utah already has a solid cast to build from. In fact Utah may even more potential for a deeper roster than what Dallas currently has.
Gyp Rosetti
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Carlisle was quite successful in his previous head coaching jobs but was foolishly booted in each case imo. Corbin sucked in his first half a season. Do I expect more of the same? Yessir I do.
Sucked? You expected him to do more after management pulled the rug out from under him a week into the gig? He inherited a bad situation that became worse. I thought he did pretty good with the **** sandwich they gave him.
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Ya know, there are lots of HC positions available at other levels: high school, jc, college, other pro leagues, nbadl. Now, if I was interested in being an NBA HC, I think I would try there first. My impression is that the jump from assistant coach to HC is much much bigger than the jump from being a player to be an assistant coach. I also suspect it is something you have to learn by doing, not by watching.
So again, if it was up to me, I would never hire a HC who had not been a HC at some level.
Brown Notes
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Thibodeau disagrees with you.
NotDeadYet
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Before the Jazz made him their HC, Jerry Sloan was head coach of the Bulls for less than three seasons, winning 94 games and losing 121. He led the team to the playoffs in his second year, but was fired after a poor start during the next campaign. He later coached a year in the CBA before joining the Jazz staff, where he soon became their head coach. Not a whole lot more than Ty Corbin has as a HC, and not NEAR as much time as Ty spent as an assistant here with the Jazz. Give the Jazz ownership credit; they are not afraid to hire young inexperienced guys into responsible positions if they perceive he can be successful.
Denial of what, genius?
Sean
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Utah was only consistent and stable because it was successful. In Sloan's first season as head coach, Utah won 50 games for the first time in franchise history and would string together a decent stretch of success between 1989-1993. I can guarantee you had the Jazz dropped off dramatically after Layden's quick resignation and the franchise failed to make the playoffs, Sloan would have lasted maybe three seasons at the most.
So yeah, Utah was a steady franchise and never panicked with Sloan for 20-plus years. But with Sloan, the franchise also only finished with a losing season once under his leadership and missed the playoffs only three times - all toward the end of his career when he had built up enough goodwill to get through those down years.
Corbin doesn't have near the goodwill. That's not to say he won't build some next season - but I can foresee a scenario where the franchise wavers and makes a change. If he can't improve his winning percentage and, at the end of the next season, he's still roughly won less than 30% of his games as a head coach, I would not be floored if the organization made a change.
With all that said, I do tend to agree with your overall point. It's unlikely Corbin gets fired next season - even if the team struggles greatly. But that would mean he's in a make or break third year (technically two seasons and one fourth or so) and I could see the franchise pulling the plug if there isn't a solid leap toward respectability.
But the past doesn't necessarily dictate what happens in the future. Utah was only consistent and steadfast because it worked. In the 23 seasons Sloan coached the Jazz, they were contenders.
We're not dealing with that today. These Jazz are more similar to the pre-Frank Layden Jazz than the post-Layden.
Unless you were living under a rock all this while you will know that Sloan resigned not because he had "nothing in the tank" but because he was tired of Deron's ways. It has been repeated ad nauseum. Obviously that's not what Sloan was going to say in the press conference as he wont put the organization or the player in an embarassing position. If Sloan really thought he had nothing in the tank before this last season he would have quietly resigned in the offseason. Not sign an extension and then quit in the middle of the season.