Can we get Sacramento's Pick at #8

[blackham9258]

Sacramento is said to be looking for veteran help. Well, what about giving them that help in the form of the cap space to do it. (This deal could be agreed to before the draft but not completed until July 1 because our actual cap space doesn't open up until then)

I would take on all $16.8M of the expiring contract of:

Derrick Williams
Jason Terry
Travis Outlaw
Reggie Evans

That gives them a payroll just under $50 and with the new cap going to around $62 they could offer a new large contract to someone, and that is even if Rudy opts in. If he opts out with a promise of a 3/$42M deal that would cut another $5M off for them and they might be able to have max space.

We could also swallow the contract of Carl Laundry of $6,750,000 for each of the next three years and leave evans and outlaw out of it and that gets them to close to $47M in committed salaries.

With #8 the Utah Jazz select: McDermott, Randle, Stauskis, Saric, etc. Or we package #8 and move up with #5 and get Embiid at #2.

My dream scenario is Exum slips to #5 and Milwakee wants to take Kanter & Exum for #2 which is Embiid.

Then we take on Sacramento's salaries and get: McDermott, Stauskis etc.

I say go for it.

 

[Tony]

 

[blackham9258]

I would be willing to part with our GSW pick at #23 if needed to get this done, or even the 2017 one if needed. This draft is so deep I would love to pick up a shooter, or Gordon if he slips for our cap space. I think that is better than the future pick offers from teams like Houston after the draft. I think Sacramento has the motivation to make this happen and we have the extra asset to make it happen.

Think of what they need. They need a Center or a SF if Gay opts out. They could go throw $14M a year to Gortat if we freed up enough cap for them. Sure its an overpay but they just gave Cousins the max. Heck take on all $23M with Carl Laundry and get this done.

If we do another deal where we get a couple late 1st round picks for renting our space that will stink. Use the space for a pick now.

Laundry
Derrick Williams
Jason Terry
Outlaw
Evans
Total: $23.5M for the #8 pick (Again I would throw in the #23 pick if needed to get #8) Do it now so we can negotiate to move up.

Then flip Carl Laundry a houston Favorite for Jeremy Lin and their 2015 pick. That save the Rockets $8M this year and gets them a stretch 4 that they have loved.

 

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I'll volunteer to be Anjali's boytoy for one year.

 

[Jeffrey32]

Utah doesn't have a worthy vet to give them.

 

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Utah doesn't have a worthy vet to give them.

wrong. See post #4.

 

[blackham9258]

It is being said that 1 & 6-9 are willing to trade their picks for an established veteran. As I think about it there really aren't players who teams would move for these picks: Ultimately No 1 only moves for Noah or Aldridge. Horford isn't enough for that pick, and Love is too risky a gamble for Cleveland.

LA and Boston: Only move their picks for Love but at 6-7 that isn't enough for Love, or Love can't give guarntees to Boston that make it worth it for them to make a move for him.

That leaves Sacramento or Charlotte:

Listening and reading to ESPN today: SVP and Russillo both said their is no way Chicago, Portland or Atlanta would want to trade: Noah, Aldridge or Horford for the #1 pick, with the possible exception of Atlanta but that Horford wouldn't be enough to move the #1 pick. Love could go for #1 from the Timberwolves perspective but without Love opting in thats not going to happen. SO, here is a look at who could be a worthy veteran get for Sac, and Charlotte:

None of which I think are worth moving off these picks:
Players in the East who could be moved for a pick 8-9:
Indiana: David West & George Hill (players indiana might want to off load, and teams might want) I could see Sacramento wanting West but Sac doesn't have what Indiana wants I don't think, plus the money doesn't work for what Indiana would need to take back. Stephenson would only happen in a sign and trade and would be a stupid move by Sacramento. You don't add immaturity to that roster, despite the talent.
Orlando: Has probably the best chip, in Aaron Afflalo and I believe that is the best chance at a trade. Would Sacrament want Afflalo for #8. I think this is a trade that could have legs and would work for both teams.
Atlanta: Could be wise to send Paul Milsap to start a rebuild and maximize Pauls value but who bites? Sacramento maybe, but would Atlanta be smart to do that? Perhaps if their player falls to 8, maybe Randle.

Other Players in the east: Chandler-too far gone, Horford- too much value for 7-9 but too little value for #1, Derozen- too much value and own team wouldn't give up, Brooklyn Players- all overpaid or past prime, JR Smith-please, Thad Young- just don't think he has that value, Nene-too valuable to own team.

Players out West from teams who might want to seek a pick 8-9:
Phoenix: I don't see them giving up Dragic for a pick, but beyond him who else moves the needle to get you 8-9? Phoenix is the most intersting because Sacramento could bite on a Gerald Green and #18 deal for #8. Beyond that everyone knows the twins are inseperable, so its Green or Dragic.
Minnesots: Would a reunion of Kevin Martin and #13 get them 8?
Memphis: Would Tony Allen and #22 get Memphis to #8 and would Memphis even want to do that?
New Orleans: Is Ryan Anderson healthy enough to move for Sacramento.
OKC: I could see a shrewd move by OKC being trading Reggie Jackson to get Randle if he slips. They get rebounding and post offense while giving up a guy they can't resign. This is a move that I think could happen.
GSW: would Barnes or Iggy if they regret that signing do it? I think GSW would be wise to also consider trading David Lee as would Sacramento to pick him up. A midstream reboot wouldn't be a bad idea for GSW to avoid having to give up Thompson.
Other Players in the west worthy of 8 or 9?:
Wesley Matthews- too valuable to own team but possible if Portland falls in love with Saric, Randle, Gordon etc.,
Nic Batum- same thing.
LAC, LAL, SA, DAL, HOU, UTAH, DEN- none have players teams would want.

Their isn't much more.

I think both teams would be unwise to trade these picks. For Sacramento, they aren't going to make the playoff this year anyway. They are best served to keep this pick which is a top 5 equivalent in most drafts, and then next year hopefully with cap space they can look for that veteran help.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I'll volunteer to be Anjali's boytoy for one year.

I'd be willing to make a long-term commitment. It's a sacrifice, but I'd do it for the Jazz.

 

[default]

I'd be willing to make a long-term commitment. It's a sacrifice, but I'd do it for the Jazz.

Sorry, but one minute doesn't really qualify as a true long-term commitment.

 

[Sexual Favors]

SAC would probably consider Favors. He's the perfect counterpart to the offensive minded Cousins.

#8 for Favors isn't enough value for us though. IMO.

 

[mellow]

Sacramento is searching for a pf, they have three (Williams, Landry, Thompson) but the fans there have this crazy idea that a pf for the kings should play like Chris Webber not like Williams, Landry or Thompson. Crazy small market fans that expect every player at a position to perform like that one franchise changing player from years gone by. Jazz Fanz are smarter than that.

They could stay at 8 and hope that Vinleh, Gordon, or Randle falls to them, Ithink they would also jump all over Smart or Exum but what are the chances that one of them makes it past the Lakers. The biggest motivation for Sacramento is that the team thinks they are somehow in a win now mode where they need to surround their core (Cousins and ....who else?) with established players. I could see them moving the pick, but I'm not sure anything on the Jazz roster intrigues them, including the front loaded contract of Favors, because let's just be honest, right now favors is not that much different than Thompson and he is certainly not Chris Webber. Besides I doubt the Jazz would do it anyway because it would be like admitting this rebuild went wrong and they had to start over at the first step.

I could see a scenario where Sacramento becomes fixated on Marcus Smart or Dante Exum, they are so desperate for a pg they were talking today about drafting Elfrid Paton at 8. Maybe Sacramento offers the Jazz the farm to move up. Jumping the Lakers in the draft would be a big story in Sacramento, make for lots of excitement.

But what do the jazz get out of the deal? the 8 the pick gets you the left overs of Randle, Vonleh, or
Gordon. My guess is Randle. But it is also a reasonable position to draft Saric, but do you want to draft a guy wh publicly stated that if he was drafted by anyone other than the Celtics or Lakers that he would stay in Europe? Fran Vazquez killed the Magic, the Jazz would have to consider that. Regardless there would have to be other compensation to the Jazz...can Derrick Wiliams play sf?

Edit: Did today's news that Marcus Smart won't work out for the Jazz get leaked to set the stage for the jazz trading the 5 the pick to Sacramento, or some other team if Smart is available?

 

[franklin]

I believe at least one of the players going in the 5-8 range will blow up and be the best player in the draft. If I could get two more picks in that range then I'd trade just about anything and go with 3 rookies next year for one more year of tanking. If it's only two then I cannot take the gamble -- taking 3 of the 4 in that range is worth it so get LA and Boston on the phone to see what can be done.

LA should be willing to part with Nash and the #7 for the #23. It'd do Nash a favor on a buyout that lets him go championship hunting 2.0.