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infection said:
A year or two ago the league changed how they measure people where they do it barefoot now, so some measurements are all over the place. So he’s probably the old 6’7” and the new 6’4”.
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I think the divergence actually preceded last year's barefoot measurements. I don't know how the 6-7 started though. He doesn't look 6-7 to me.
 
infection said:
It’s possible, but if I were in his shoes I’d be concerned about getting let go from Chicago and I’d be looking to 1) secure income next year in whatever way possible and 2) getting in any kind of reps/exposure as possible.

He’s probably in the Udoh category. He’s not as offensively inept as Udoh, but Udoh is a guy who is phenomenal and I think could really help a handful of teams, but he’s not getting looks.
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I agree with you on this point that (if he's holding out for more money) that he's playing a dangerous game at this point. But on the other hand, as they said about Jeff Green, once you become known as a minimum contract guy, it's very hard to break out of that around the league. So he may be figuring that this is his best chance to be seen as something more.
 
idiot said:
Serious question that I hope will get a serious answer (not just Jazz -centric):

Why is Shaq still out there? Presumably 29 teams could use him. Do you think he's asking for money that teams are unwilling to give? Do you think he's looking for a situation that will promise him minutes (presumably on a bad team)? Is he just waiting for the first team to offer him a minimum salary? What do you think is going on?

Or conversely, what are teams not seeing? Are they not buying his jumper? Do they think he'll be an offensive liability? It's all just so strange, given what he did last year (admittedly in limited minutes)?
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IDK but Christian Wood was waived like 5 times so NBA teams miss a lot.
 
idiot said:
Why is Shaq still out there? Presumably 29 teams could use him.
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Not really. Teams always prioritize size/athleticism on the wing in modern day NBA. We are sorta the elephant in the room when it comes to not building your team around switch D. What Shaq brings seem valuable to us but actually would be considered redundant to other teams. After all, he is a 10min bench guy coming off of one of the worst teams in the league and a career 29% 3pt shooter. He is also foul prone, averaging well over 4 fouls per 36min, making it difficult for him to stay on the floor. He'd be a valuable 10-15min guy for a team that desperately needs hustle/energy on the perimeter like us, but that's not much the case for most other teams. GRIII is a better piece and deservedly so
 
jom2003 said:
Not really. Teams always prioritize size/athleticism on the wing in modern day NBA. We are sorta the elephant in the room when it comes to not building your team around switch D. What Shaq brings seem valuable to us but actually would be considered redundant to other teams. After all, he is a 10min bench guy coming off of one of the worst teams in the league and a career 29% 3pt shooter.
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Just don't agree with this. All the national coverage of the available free agents were all over Shaq. I just don't think that we're the only team who could use a guy like him.
 
idiot said:
Just don't agree with this. All the national coverage of the available free agents were all over Shaq. I just don't think that we're the only team who could use a guy like him.
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All UFAs get media coverage of some sort. It could be their agents paying the media to lure suitors and get the best deal possible even when there isn't any. Last time I checked tweets, most of the stuff that I heard about this guy are actually coming from jazz fans...... What he bring mostly are energy and hustle play, but almost every team has multiple guys like him already, except for us.
 
But I'd agree the jazz can definitely use a guy like him right now and signing him to a min deal as our emergency perimeter cover just makes too much sense. But I just have no idea what makes sense to our FO any more.
 
idiot said:
It was all off-court and professionalism/motivation stuff with Wood, wasn't it. There's nothing like that for Shaq, is there?
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Teams look past that stuff all the time though. Shaq doesn’t have those issues. It’s likely the shot but a bunch of guys are cheaper than I thought they’d be... the market misses on guys all the time.
 
Teams prefer brand names... even if Shaqs shot drops back down the other stuff he does is useful and justify his roster spot.

It’s the same reason people let the lakers sign Alex Caruso for cheap and then ask about him in every trade conversation the next year. There are just market inefficiencies.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Teams look past that stuff all the time though. Shaq doesn’t have those issues. It’s likely the shot but a bunch of guys are cheaper than I thought they’d be... the market misses on guys all the time.
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Yeah, supposedly RHJ’s deal with Minnesota is a training camp deal. We’ve got better dudes than him. Some scrappy, mean dudes, so we don’t need to training camp him.

Of course he just may prefer the Twin City Tundra.
 
infection said:
Yeah, supposedly RHJ’s deal with Minnesota is a training camp deal. We’ve got better dudes than him. Some scrappy, mean dudes, so we don’t need to training camp him.

Of course he just may prefer the Twin City Tundra.
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He’s a guy I’d have guessed would get BAE. I just don’t want to hear the lame *** excuses when we have an injury or when Miye or Niang ain’t cutting it.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He’s a guy I’d have guessed would get BAE. I just don’t want to hear the lame *** excuses when we have an injury or when Miye or Niang ain’t cutting it.
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“I’m sure we would make a move if we could, but there’s just nobody out there to sign right now mod-season. Besides, all indicators pointed to Miye being a really good perimeter defender. He’s still young and we need to be patient. “
 
infection said:
“I’m sure we would make a move if we could, but there’s just nobody out there to sign right now mod-season. Besides, all indicators pointed to Miye being a really good perimeter defender. He’s still young and we need to be patient. “
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Then we dump Miye in the offseason after he shows improvement but not enough to be relied on... give Trevor Ariza a 3/30m deal off-season complete.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Then we dump Miye in the offseason after he shows improvement but not enough to be relied on... give Trevor Ariza a 3/30m deal off-season complete.
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“Trevor is a high level defender. Just world class. Look, I know you guys don’t need me to tell you, but any time you can walk in to an off-season and take a survey of your needs, analyze multiple different pathways, looks at your resources, and then walk out with someone of the caliber of a Trevor Ariza, well, you’re going to be feeling pretty comfortable. I tell you what, guys, when I envision Trevor’s contribution to this roster — not only as a defender but as a leader and someone who can show these kids the ropes, someone with championship experience — what comes to mind is positional flexibility, determination, and integrity. Trevor scored phenomenally on the Leadership in Action evaluation we preform. This is a test used for hiring high-level executives for Fortune 500 companies, and to think we’ve got a guy who we could be worried may be poached off to be the next Apple or Amazon CEO, well we feel pretty pleased with that kind of acquisition. You really have to look beyond the numbers to appreciate what’s happening here. When we sat down with our analytics guys this summer and mapped out defensive presence and impact in our models, there are only two guys in the league who ranked higher than Trevor. One is Rudy, and we all know about his contribution. You don’t need me to tell you that, but this is a guy who’s a two-time, really should be three or four time, if we’re being completely honest, defensive player of the year. The other is Kawhi, who I had the privilege of trading for when I was in San Antonio. Look, when you take a look at your peers and you find yourself in that company, well, well that’s just special. And to pair two of those guys up on the same team, I’m just excited to see watch this season unfold.”
 
Honestly I agree. I have no idea why he’s still on the roster or has been for a while lol. One of the worst deals ever done by the Jazz franchise. Nothing against him personally. He’s not an NBA player. Move on!
 
Why are all the people who are getting extremely butt hurt over not signing Shaq not praising the Trent Forrest signing? They are basically the same players but Forrest has more PG skills.
 
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