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fishonjazz said:
Alcohol prohibition versus weed prohibition is apples to oranges imo. Weed is simply easier to to transport and distribute and make.
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They make their own alcohol in military school and (so I hear) prisons. I don't think it's all that hard to make alcohol.

If it were really that easy ot make and transport cannabis, drug cartels wouldn't be killing people to make a fortune doing so.

Try to think a little more critically. There are plenty of good arguments for legalization, why put forth bad arguments?
 
Archie Moses said:
I'm for it. Wish it didn't make me hurt though. It makes my muscles tight and increases my pain pain in my hip, back and everywhere. It does reset me me in some ways, but damn I wish I processed it a different way.

That said, saw this today.
www.cnn.com

Weed is not good for your heart, studies say

You may love smoking weed, but it does not love your heart, according to the American Heart Association's new scientific statement on marijuana.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
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It's very damaging to the lungs too. I hear this so much, that because it isn't as bad as cigarettes, well it might as well be like health food.. er... Smoke. Health smoke for your lungs!

Yeah it's anything but. Over time any fine particulates you inhale will cause more and more damage to your lungs. Your body can naturally take care of only so much. In the long run it's still bad.
 
One Brow said:
They make their own alcohol in military school and (so I hear) prisons. I don't think it's all that hard to make alcohol.

If it were really that easy ot make and transport cannabis, drug cartels wouldn't be killing people to make a fortune doing so.

Try to think a little more critically. There are plenty of good arguments for legalization, why put forth bad arguments?
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Lol at your strawmen.
I don't think it's hard to make alcohol. I do think it's easier to make quality herb than alcohol though. As for transport and distribution, you can literally put weed in any container. You could even just put it straight into your pocket. Alcohol would run down your leg though. It has more requirements for how it's transported.
If it were really hard to make and transport cannabis then it wouldn't profitable and the cartels wouldn't do it. But it's easy to make and transport therefore cartels do it and make fortunes.
You bring up another good reason to legalize though. Legalization would hurt the cartels business. At least the marijuana portion of it anyway.

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LogGrad98 said:
It's very damaging to the lungs too. I hear this so much, that because it isn't as bad as cigarettes, well it might as well be like health food.. er... Smoke. Health smoke for your lungs!

Yeah it's anything but. Over time any fine particulates you inhale will cause more and more damage to your lungs. Your body can naturally take care of only so much. In the long run it's still bad.
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Of course you can use it without smoking it though.

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Guess I was in it for the long haul. First tried it on Dec. 26, 1965, Greenwich Village, after the Holiday Festival bb tournament. Got off that first time too, which is not the case for most. Got a medical marijuana license now, but who am I kidding? Nobody is fooling anybody. We have businesses in business to fast track people to their cards. Just legalize it, but I hear Biden is not too keen on the idea.
 
fishonjazz said:
Lol at your strawmen.
I don't think it's hard to make alcohol. I do think it's easier to make quality herb than alcohol though.
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Based on what? The amount of weed they produce in hostile settings?

fishonjazz said:
As for transport and distribution, you can literally put weed in any container. You could even just put it straight into your pocket. Alcohol would run down your leg though. It has more requirements for how it's transported.
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What a shame no one ever heard of a hip flask.

Well, I think I'm done with this conversation. I'm finding it difficult to believe you're being serious here. If you are, you do you.
 
fishonjazz said:
I'm not saying there is no downside to marijuana and marijuana use I'm saying there is no downside to legalizing it.
You want less kids doing it? Legalize it then. It's much easier to get weed than it is to get alcohol if you're a kid.
You want less kids even trying it? Well a lot if kids try it because it's illegal. It's taboo. It's rebellious. So legalize it. Make is less cool/taboo.
You want less people doing meth and cocaine and crack etc? Well marijuana is a gateway drug in part because it's illegal. I'm already breaking the law smoking pot, might as well try some cocaine while I'm at it. Oh and my dealer has both! If it's legal and you use it then you haven't crossed over into illegal drugs yet. Oh and the dispensary doesn't have cocaine for ya.
You want violent criminals to stay in prison for longer instead of getting released way before their sentence was carried out? Then legalize it so there are no non violent pot related criminals in there taking up cells.
I could go on and on and on.


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What is the health or even feel-good benefit of moderate use of pot, meth and cocaine compared to high quality alcohol (good beer, Chablis kind of wine etc)?

I would never say to my 8 year daughter, that pot, meth or cocaine is good to try or constantly consume. However, should she feel life thirst a la like stranded somewhere in very hot location, then there is nothing wrong to drink 0,5 litre of beer, specially, if the alcohol is on the low end a la like Pilsner kind of beers if the water is not available.

I have never done any drugs and my only experience with tobacco was when i was 8 years old. Did not liked the tobacco neither the hand made joint made of paper and pine thorn :-).

So for me it is currently not a problem, if cannabis and other hard drugs are illegal. We can see that on the streets in a la Detroit or Baltimore vs Tokyo or any other high end asian city, what happens, when the citizens like to do drugs.
 
lauriandres said:
What is the health or even feel-good benefit of moderate use of pot, meth and cocaine compared to high quality alcohol (good beer, Chablis kind of wine etc)?

I would never say to my 8 year daughter, that pot, meth or cocaine is good to try or constantly consume. However, should she feel life thirst a la like stranded somewhere in very hot location, then there is nothing wrong to drink 0,5 litre of beer, specially, if the alcohol is on the low end a la like Pilsner kind of beers if the water is not available.

I have never done any drugs and my only experience with tobacco was when i was 8 years old. Did not liked the tobacco neither the hand made joint made of paper and pine thorn :).

So for me it is currently not a problem, if cannabis and other hard drugs are illegal. We can see that on the streets in a la Detroit or Baltimore vs Tokyo or any other high end asian city, what happens, when the citizens like to do drugs.
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Those are 3 very different things. Weed alone isn't really comparable to meth and cocaine. Alcohol is physically addictive and weed is not. I don't think either should be done by kids. Alcohol has been shown to effect your brain on bad ways when you have it before your brain is done developing around 21. You're much more likely to become an alcoholic of you drink as a teenager or kid. There are negative health effects to marijuana but it's pretty limited for adults and there is also positive health aspects to it unlike alcohol by itself.

The feel good benefits are there for all of them in very different ways. Cocaine and meth are fairly addictive and have pretty negative effects on the body. Especially meth, it's terrible for you but it probably wouldn't exist much is recreational drugs were legal. Cocaine is often mixed with cheaper really terrible things as well.

Society would be much better off if all drugs were de-criminalized. The ones that should be the most are the worst ones like heroine and meth. People casually using fun drugs aren't an issue for society. The ones that are a problem are people who are very addicted to bad drugs. They are the ones that need help not just treated as criminals.
 
fishonjazz said:
I'm not saying there is no downside to marijuana and marijuana use I'm saying there is no downside to legalizing it.
You want less kids doing it? Legalize it then. It's much easier to get weed than it is to get alcohol if you're a kid.
You want less kids even trying it? Well a lot if kids try it because it's illegal. It's taboo. It's rebellious. So legalize it. Make is less cool/taboo.
You want less people doing meth and cocaine and crack etc? Well marijuana is a gateway drug in part because it's illegal. I'm already breaking the law smoking pot, might as well try some cocaine while I'm at it. Oh and my dealer has both! If it's legal and you use it then you haven't crossed over into illegal drugs yet. Oh and the dispensary doesn't have cocaine for ya.
You want violent criminals to stay in prison for longer instead of getting released way before their sentence was carried out? Then legalize it so there are no non violent pot related criminals in there taking up cells.
I could go on and on and on.
And then of course there are all the jobs that would be created from legalization, all the money to be used on so many things we need money for from the taxes like you mentioned, all the health issues (rheumatoid arthritis, glaucoma, etc along with help with sleeping and eating issues for people with cancer and whatnot) that it could help.
All the things on the side it could be developed and used for like paint, clothing, paper, rope, and hundreds of other things.
It actually cleans the soil that it grows in. It helps the environment by not needing to cut down trees for paper and things. I could go all day.

I mean can anyone think of a single downside? I would love to hear one.


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This reminds me of a conversation I had a couple of years ago. The person I was speaking with could rattle off any number of positives regarding legalizing marijuana. Of course he used regularly. When he was done I commented that most of the people advocating for legalization really didn't care about any of that, they just want get high without the fear of breaking the law. He simply gave me a **** eating grin, shrugged his shoulders and said, "That's true".
 
Scat said:
This reminds me of a conversation I had a couple of years ago. The person I was speaking with could rattle off any number of positives regarding legalizing marijuana. Of course he used regularly. When he was done I commented that most of the people advocating for legalization really didn't care about any of that, they just want get high without the fear of breaking the law. He simply gave me a **** eating grin, shrugged his shoulders and said, "That's true".
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He probably realized you weren't worth having a serious conversation with.
 
Scat said:
This reminds me of a conversation I had a couple of years ago. The person I was speaking with could rattle off any number of positives regarding legalizing marijuana. Of course he used regularly. When he was done I commented that most of the people advocating for legalization really didn't care about any of that, they just want get high without the fear of breaking the law. He simply gave me a **** eating grin, shrugged his shoulders and said, "That's true".
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For some people (most I would say) that certainly is true. If there was something that you enjoy doing and it was pretty harmless and you had to fear going to jail for it then you would probably want it legalized.
That's one group of people.
Some people legitimately use it for medicine. Some people see value in using it for paper, clothing, rope, paint, etc etc etc.
Some people wish there was a bigger budget for schools or something and see how marijuana could provide funding and resources to things that need it.
Some people want the police and justice system to be more focused in protecting us from dangerous things.
Some people might it legalized because they want to open up a business in that market.

Many reasons for people to want legalization. I'm still not seeing any reasons for people to not want legalization though.

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One Brow said:
If your going to take pointless shots at atheists in a conversation that has nothing to do with them, could you at least make them accurately?
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I didn't mean it derogatory Governments are great!!
 
rare144 said:
I didn't mean it derogatory Governments are great!!
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Atheists don't worship the government or yearn for greater government control as some sort of ideological part of atheism. You sound like you got your info about atheism from the 1950s.
 
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