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Cavs offer Gordo MAX deal (maybe)

AlaskanAssassin said:
How are we suddenly overpaying other players because of this? What 3 or 4 other guys are you talking about. I swear, one person pulls a BS point out of their &@@ and suddenly everyone buys into it.
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Burks and Kanter, namely. If they are to be kept, anyway.
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
Not necessarily. "Chandler, we're declining your option because we want to improve the team in free agency. We really want you here and plan to make a very strong offer to you once we have other pieces in place. We hope you decide to stay with us."
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That's not Parson's pre-committing to a deal which is what you said they have likely done.
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
Just because one player signs for a couple million over their "worth" doesn't mean every player on the team can/will do the same thing. Another team has to be willing to offer it to them. I can't think of ONE instance that a team "set a precedent" by overpaying someone and then being strong-armed into overpaying other players on the team. You're just making this BS up as you go along.
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Still not justification for a bad deal. It's that simple.
 
NUMBERICA said:
You can all but guarantee that they will try. This is what agents do.
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Sure, they will try anything to get their client paid. But, the worst case scenario is that the Jazz will have to match what another team offers them, and I don't think Gordon's $ will affect what another team will pay these kids.
 
NUMBERICA said:
That's not Parson's pre-committing to a deal which is what you said they have likely done.
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Sorry, wasn't trying to imply that. From everything I read about Parsons, though, is that he seems pretty committed to Houston. I mean, he's recruiting players for them!
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
Sure, they will try anything to get their client paid. But, the worst case scenario is that the Jazz will have to match what another team offers them, and I don't think Gordon's $ will affect what another team will pay these kids.
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Ideally, you don't let a player enter free agency. Giving Hayward the max increases the likelihood that that happens next year and we get to do all of this fun hand-wringing again next year.
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
Sorry, wasn't trying to imply that. From everything I read about Parsons, though, is that he seems pretty committed to Houston. I mean, he's recruiting players for them!
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And it's entirely possible that they are violating the CBA, too. The tampering rules are hard to enforce.
 
Stoked said:
Still not justification for a bad deal. It's that simple.
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You're right, it would be a bad deal. But the worst deal would be losing him for nothing and having lots of cap space that we can't attract anyone better than Gordon with. That would be a nightmare situation.
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
You're right, it would be a bad deal. But the worst deal would be losing him for nothing and having lots of cap space that we can't attract anyone better than Gordon with. That would be a nightmare situation.
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Well if they move Exum to SG then its a logjam as Hayward is more SG than SF.

Also if they do that it is a hard tank next year.
 
Stoked said:
Well if they move Exum to SG then its a logjam as Hayward is more SG than SF.
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I disagree with that. Until/unless Hayward can get his shooting percentages back up, I don't especially want him playing SG.
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
According to HoopsHype, players currently earning between $14-15 mil a year are:

19. David Lee $15,012,000
20. Omer Asik $14,898,938
20. Jeremy Lin $14,898,938
20. Roy Hibbert $14,898,938
20. Eric Gordon $14,898,938
24. James Harden $14,693,906
25. Tyson Chandler $14,596,888
26. Brandon Roy $14,399,332
27. Josh Smith $14,000,000

https://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm#sthash.6enZ04Lv.dpuf


Is Hayward not better than a few of these players? Could a change in coach help him develop into a "max" player?
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David Lee has made all-star teams and is a pretty consistent 18/9 guy for the last five seasons.
Asik and Lin are making those numbers this season because of cap manipulation. Their cap figures are actually half that.
Roy Hibbert is a two-time all-star and was second in Defensive Player of the Year voting last season.
Eric Gordon has one of the worst contracts in the league.
James Harden is first-team all NBA
Tyson Chandler is one of the best defensive players in the league and made the All-Star team two seasons ago and plays a position that makes him very difficult to replace.
Brandon Roy's a medical retirement, but was WAY WAY better than Hayward when he was capable of playing.
Josh Smith is also considered to have one of the worst contracts in the league.

In sum, the only two players for whom it is remotely arguable are guys for whom that contract was a HUGE mistake. This is not a good reason to consider maxing Hayward.

I'm starting to realize how few posters were around when we went through the PAY AK! era here on JF.
 
I wonder what kind of offers Klay Thompson and Kawhi Leonard will command next year as they are both RFAs. Wonder if they jazz have any chance of snagging one of them.
 
Question:

Say the Jazz do not want to wait for Hayward and decide to sign someone else like Parsons. Can the Jazz simply renounce their RFA rights to Hayward and let him become an unrestricted FA? How does that work?
 
akirac73 said:
Question:

Say the Jazz do not want to wait for Hayward and decide to sign someone else like Parsons. Can the Jazz simply renounce their RFA rights to Hayward and let him become an unrestricted FA? How does that work?
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Yes, the Jazz can renounce their rights to Hayward. See here:

https://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q44
A team may relinquish its right of first refusal, making the player an unrestricted free agent. If a qualifying offer is outstanding, the team can withdraw it unilaterally through July 23. It can be withdrawn after July 23 if the player consents, in which case the player is also renounced as a free agent5 (see question number 41). If a qualifying offer is not outstanding, then a team can relinquish its right of first refusal at any time by providing written notice.
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colton said:
Yes, the Jazz can renounce their rights to Hayward. See here:

https://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q44
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Maybe they should do that anyway :) If he gets a max contract, it is because another team will feel they have to offer that to pull him from us, not that he is worth that $$$ offered. No team would overpay him to the extent they will knowing they will have not to make an offer big enough we won't match.

However, there is a good chance he goes somewhere else. But if he really cares about $, the Jazz would have $ to re-sign him.
 
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