QuinSnydersHair
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I don't disagree. And I think a change of scenery back to Dallas could maybe get 2-3 good years back out of him.
Cavs offer Gordo MAX deal (maybe)
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I don't disagree. And I think a change of scenery back to Dallas could maybe get 2-3 good years back out of him.
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I just read a tweet that most GMs think Parsons will be easier to get because Houston is looking to sign a third big star (and Utah is not). Why not go after Parsons? If he agrees, great. If Houston matches we could still match any offers received for Hayward, right? And we can afford to keep both of them if Hayward ultimately takes the QO.
They should at least reach out to Parsons. I think he is a better fit at the 3 anyway.
They should at least reach out to Parsons. I think he is a better fit at the 3 anyway.
freakazoid
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Ok, let me just say that some of you are certifiable. Anyone who thinks we should even consider matching a max deal for Gordon is out of their friggin mind. There is some merit to the idea that Utah will have to overpay someone at some point in order to get good players here. However, Utah is not anywhere near that point. It would be different if we had a young team on the verge of getting past the first round. In that case, it might make some sense.
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Unfortunately, we are nowhere close to that, and giving someone like Gordon a max deal would be foolish, IMO. Free agency is in no way a reason to overpay Gordo. That cap space can be used in trades to either get a good player or acquire assets such as picks by selling our cap space. I know some of you are in love with Gordo, but if it comes down to a max deal, that decision should be a no-brainer. I only pray that our FO isn't going to make short term moves in order to sell tickets, because that would be the only reason for matching silly money to keep G-time.
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Unfortunately, we are nowhere close to that, and giving someone like Gordon a max deal would be foolish, IMO. Free agency is in no way a reason to overpay Gordo. That cap space can be used in trades to either get a good player or acquire assets such as picks by selling our cap space. I know some of you are in love with Gordo, but if it comes down to a max deal, that decision should be a no-brainer. I only pray that our FO isn't going to make short term moves in order to sell tickets, because that would be the only reason for matching silly money to keep G-time.
It's a message board, and these guys make millions. I'm just blowing off steam. Don't take it too seriously.
I don't hate him as a player or person. He's a nice guy.
I don't think he's worth a ton of money that's all.
Fishsticks
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His agent is planting these ludicrous stories and locke is flaming them.
Jazz4ever
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From the Cavs board, might have been posted, too many threads
July 2, 2014 by Craig Lyndall
Sometimes it’s better to just keep quiet than to say something that could come back to bite you.
Gordon Hayward had this little nugget about Cleveland in an interview following practice on February 25th, 2014. He was asked about his favorite and least-favorite places to play in the NBA.
Least favorite, I would say, like, especially since I’ve been in the league, probably Cleveland. Cleveland to me is like Gotham City. It’s, like, so dreary, and just, I don’t know, and then ever since LeBron [James] left, I mean, the fans, they’re starting to pick up a little bit more, but I remember my rookie year, there was hardly anybody there.
So, that makes for a tough atmosphere when you have to go on the road, and you know, there’s absolutely no energy given to you, and there’s not even any energy in the building given to them, hardly either, so that’s a tough place to play.
July 2, 2014 by Craig Lyndall
Sometimes it’s better to just keep quiet than to say something that could come back to bite you.
Gordon Hayward had this little nugget about Cleveland in an interview following practice on February 25th, 2014. He was asked about his favorite and least-favorite places to play in the NBA.
Least favorite, I would say, like, especially since I’ve been in the league, probably Cleveland. Cleveland to me is like Gotham City. It’s, like, so dreary, and just, I don’t know, and then ever since LeBron [James] left, I mean, the fans, they’re starting to pick up a little bit more, but I remember my rookie year, there was hardly anybody there.
So, that makes for a tough atmosphere when you have to go on the road, and you know, there’s absolutely no energy given to you, and there’s not even any energy in the building given to them, hardly either, so that’s a tough place to play.
QuinSnydersHair
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It's a tough place to play because there's no energy in the building? Oy vey, someone get Gordo a set of stones.
gregbroncs
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At 7 M a year no wonder they were worried the Jazz would match. That would be a no-brainer match. And a big thanks would be owed to the Cavs by the Jazz if he accepted.
gregbroncs
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You need to post much more.
gregbroncs
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Why would they do this? They could offer Parsons then just match an offer that Hayward gets if they want. Not that I think they should. But the Jazz are under the cap and can go over it to retain Hayward.
I'm indeed one of those who are in love with Gordo, but holy cow, max deal for Hayward? That's beyond insanity.
akirac73
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For one, if the process drags out too long where Hayward is still waiting for a max offer from someone...Why should the Jazz put their life on hold for him? If there's another player they like they'll have to act fast. Then there's no need to keep Hayward anymore...he snoozes, he loses. If we have Parsons wtf do we need Hayward for?
gregbroncs
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That is the point. The Jazz have enough room to sign other pieces and still match any other offer Hayward may get. I can't see a single reason for them to relinquish his rights. Unless they plan on signing a couple of other guys to max contracts.
billyshelby
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I completely understand your point, and I agree that the new CBA helps to protect teams from themeselves as far as albatross contracts go. But just look at Detroit. One year into the Josh Smith deal, and he's untradeable. Then Monroe played himself into a Max player. And Drummond's RFA will come up with Smith still on the payroll. So that Smith contract is already turning into an anchor.
Here's the second issue. The Smith deal isn't an old school Arenas Albatross, you're right. But now they have zero margin for error. The next high dollar guy they sign better produce, or they're basically the JV of the NBA until they get those contracts off the books.
At Hayward's current production, he's untradeable the second he inks a Max deal. He only becomes tradeable once he starts to produce at a higher level. And, even though people can't seem to imagine this, he could actually get worse.
I'd rather pursue Luol Deng who is seeking around 12M than giving a max to Hayward. Deng brings more things to the table, especially defensively, and along with veteran leadership.
If I still want to spend more money, then I'd go after also Aminu to set the SF position for good. They improve the Jazz both offensively and defensively more than Hayward could do on his own. If I'm worried about 3 point shooting, I'd consider another 3 pt shooter SF instead of Aminu, like Garcia who is also a great veteran or Mike Miller or Anthony Morrow etc.
If I still want to spend more money, then I'd go after also Aminu to set the SF position for good. They improve the Jazz both offensively and defensively more than Hayward could do on his own. If I'm worried about 3 point shooting, I'd consider another 3 pt shooter SF instead of Aminu, like Garcia who is also a great veteran or Mike Miller or Anthony Morrow etc.
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Jamezz
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That's enough Dala.