Cavs, Pacers, Jazz Trade Idea

[Siro]

It's a risk to renounce Hood/Exum, drop Thabo and Jerebko, let Favors and JJ walk and give up an asset to unload Burks to offer a RFA with 2 turn ACLs

It's a bigger risk actually paying Hood any kind of serious money. Favors is a poor fit, and I doubt he's interested in staying with the Jazz anyway. The rest are role players that can be replaced with other cheap role players. Like, we're really worried about Jerebko or 37 year old JJ?

 

[MDAV28]

It's a bigger risk actually paying Hood any kind of serious money.

No it's not (if Hood warrants "serious money" in next year's market, then he is worth it)

Favors is a poor fit, and I doubt he's interested in staying with the Jazz anyway.

Without being able to spread the floor, true.

The rest are role players that can be replaced with other cheap role players. Like, we're really worried about Jerebko or 37 year old JJ?

Not to bring the Exum debate into this but a cheap Exum should be exactly what the Jazz want, so not sure if that's considered a replaceable "cheap role player". Regardless, you're missing the point of all these players gone/renounced to make a HUGE RFA offer to a guy who has had 2 torn ACLs.

Give me a legitimate plan for the offseason? What does an extra $4.8 million in cap space net us? Who are we targeting in FA?

 

[Ron Mexico]

Risking what? The 10th spot? As long as we keep Gobert and DM, there is little risk in any trade.

Letting all of our roster go to try and sign a RFA that will probably be matched is a terrible team decision in many ways. I personally think Hood and Exum have as much risk and potential as Parker. Its not worth it and we could just keep our guys and some of the valuable contracts to try to turn into something. Those guys like Udoh have some value if he keeps playing like he does.

Also I dont think we are a 10th seed. I think we are going to the playoffs this year. Even without we have some solid young talent to build around.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I don't understand. Where is Jabari in the deal?

 

[radiohegel]

I don't understand. Where is Jabari in the deal?

Pretty sure the idea is that the main advantage for the Jazz in this deal is the additional cap space cleared this off-season (subtracting Burks contract), which could help the team maneuver into position for a potentially unmatchable offer to Jabari in free agency.

 

[Siro]

Letting all of our roster go to try and sign a RFA that will probably be matched is a terrible team decision in many ways. I personally think Hood and Exum have as much risk and potential as Parker. Its not worth it and we could just keep our guys and some of the valuable contracts to try to turn into something. Those guys like Udoh have some value if he keeps playing like he does.

Also I dont think we are a 10th seed. I think we are going to the playoffs this year. Even without we have some solid young talent to build around.

We don't have good young talent to build around. I have little hope for Hood to ever become anything beyond an average starter who can give you some points and some spacing. Not someone you build around. Exum... LOL. I guess we'll see how he turns out.

We currently have one player on a rookie contract to potentially build around. And the clock is ticking on Gobert. We better figure something out in the next four years. Which we might, since 4 years is a long *** time. But given the personnel and assets the Jazz currently possess, neither the present nor the future look that bright.

Edit: This is separate from whether Jabari might be a good acquisition. I just want SOMETHING to be done.

 

[LoPo]

As I've said in previous posts, I feel like the following guys are essential for the duration of their current contracts:

Gobert
Mitchell
Thabo
Ingles
Bradley
Exum
Udoh
Rubio

Outside of those guys, I'm willing to take chances to get us a premiere SF or PF for our core. If we can play our cards right and get the right assets, I think we could make a big push for that player via free agency or trade.

And no matter what, if we could use Favors to dump Burks' contract for 2018-19, we have to do it.

 

[enchilada_style]

If the Jazz were to get Frye then i want to offer Denver anything they want to get Jefferson so they can continue their podcast.

 

[Ron Mexico]

We don't have good young talent to build around. I have little hope for Hood to ever become anything beyond an average starter who can give you some points and some spacing. Not someone you build around. Exum... LOL. I guess we'll see how he turns out.

We currently have one player on a rookie contract to potentially build around. And the clock is ticking on Gobert. We better figure something out in the next four years. Which we might, since 4 years is a long *** time. But given the personnel and assets the Jazz currently possess, neither the present nor the future look that bright.

Edit: This is separate from whether Jabari might be a good acquisition. I just want SOMETHING to be done.

I would love to get more talent. Every team will. If we can get Jabari I think that would be great, but not if it guts the team and makes you give up on some other young talent.

I think Gobert, Mitchell and Exum are all great prospects and great talent. I think Hood is a solid starter and I dont expect his ceiling is much more. But I dont think you dump him for nothing. Solid starters are also needed on a roster.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

As I've said in previous posts, I feel like the following guys are essential for the duration of their current contracts:

Gobert
Mitchell
Thabo
Ingles
Bradley
Exum
Udoh
Rubio

Outside of those guys, I'm willing to take chances to get us a premiere SF or PF for our core. If we can play our cards right and get the right assets, I think we could make a big push for that player via free agency or trade.

And no matter what, if we could use Favors to dump Burks' contract for 2018-19, we have to do it.

The Jazz dont have pieces to get a "premier" player at any position unless you are trading Mitchell or Gobert.

ANd Favors isnt making anyone take Burks. If anyone wants Favors, they will just sign him in UFA.

 

[LoPo]

Check this out:

If we use this as a guide for summer 2018: http://www.basketballinsiders.com/utah-jazz-team-salary/

Gobert 23.5
Rubio 15
Ingles 13
Thabo 5.2
Udoh 3.4
Mitchell 3.1
Bradley 1.7
Exum Cap Hold of 15
That adds up to 80 million

The projected salary cap for 2018-19 is $101 million. The first year salary of a max contract for a player with under 6 years of experience will be around $25 million.

So it is very possible, with a move like dropping Thabo, that we can sign a max player like Jabari Parker or Aaron Gordon. And there are very, very few teams with the space next year to sign a max player. Or we could keep Thabo and sign somebody who isn't a max player like Julius Randle, Avery Bradley, Caldwell-Pope, Vonleh, etc.

So I think we need to either value our current guys (JJ, Favors, and Hood) although we could lose all three for nothing. OR, we go ahead and be committed to Mitchell at SG and let the other three guys go but trading them away for anything while we still can.

 

[Ron Mexico]

You are missing Burks, you would have to dump him first.

 

[LogGrad98]

Risking what? The 10th spot? As long as we keep Gobert and DM, there is little risk in any trade.

This. Blow it the **** up. We are not getting any closer to the ring with "incremental" or "organic" improvement from a core of Hood, Burks, Rubio, Ingles, Favors and Exum.

 

[LogGrad98]

We owe it to our star, Gobert, to go after the talent necessary to win something. He took a lower priced extension rather than waiting for the big payday and we need to use that extra money to get a team around him that can compete. If we just sit back and waste his best years on Exum and Burks we need to burn the damn place to the ground.

 

[MDAV28]

You are missing Burks, you would have to dump him first.

Also renouncing Hood's $7 million cap hold. To get who? To offer a contract to Jabari/Gordon that will be matched? I'm 100% about cap flexibility being an asset (and very important considering how many teams don't have it) but I just don't see any ideas of what we are doing with this cap space. The only logical thing I can think of is taking on Deng for an Ingram and/or Kuzma so LA can bring in a squad.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Pretty sure the idea is that the main advantage for the Jazz in this deal is the additional cap space cleared this off-season (subtracting Burks contract), which could help the team maneuver into position for a potentially unmatchable offer to Jabari in free agency.

lol

K.

 

[LoPo]

You are missing Burks, you would have to dump him first.

Read the thread. The idea is to use Favors to dump Burks.

 

[radiohegel]

lol

K.

Interpretation ≠ endorsement

 

[LoPo]

Also renouncing Hood's $7 million cap hold. To get who? To offer a contract to Jabari/Gordon that will be matched? I'm 100% about cap flexibility being an asset (and very important considering how many teams don't have it) but I just don't see any ideas of what we are doing with this cap space. The only logical thing I can think of is taking on Deng for an Ingram and/or Kuzma so LA can bring in a squad.

You are missing the point. Check this out, we have lost so many players for absolutely nothing. The idea is to trade Favors and Burks for expirings. Then we look for the right trade for Hood and maybe JoeJ too. If we keep the same mix of players, we can only add a draft pick and a guy or two like Jerekbo. That's it. To me, that is terrible. We need to go big in a summer that so few have money. Go check it out, hardly any teams have any money for 2018 when the cap is supposed to be $101.

 

[MDAV28]

You are missing the point. Check this out, we have lost so many players for absolutely nothing. The idea is to trade Favors and Burks for expirings. Then we look for the right trade for Hood and maybe JoeJ too. If we keep the same mix of players, we can only add a draft pick and a guy or two like Jerekbo. That's it. To me, that is terrible. We need to go big in a summer that so few have money. Go check it out, hardly any teams have any money for 2018 when the cap is supposed to be $101.

I'm going to skip over a lot of this and restate my question. Who are we going after? Orlando matches anything before AG even gets an offer. The big plan is to gut the team to have a guy with 2 torn ACL's that would for sure have to be maxed out from our end? That's a franchise crippling contract with one bad step.