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LoPo said:
I understand the hesitation. I do. Our issue since the Stockton and Malone days has been our lack of being bold. Instead of trading all of our draft picks for a great player like Mitch Richmond to put with Stockton and Malone, we kept drafting scrubs. We let AK rot while we could have traded him for value to upgrade the 2 or 3. We let Millsap walk for Kanter who we waited too long trade and Favors who we waited too long to trade. I said trade Hayward 2 years ago and everybody laughed. I knew he was leaving. Why? Because we aren't bold enough. He saw what Korver and Carroll and Millsap did to find success and followed.

We have been bold one time - the Deron trade. And we mucked that up with our picks and the underwhelming Favors. Favors has been good but nobody would have thought his best season would be 16ppg and 9rpg. We expected much, much, much more.

People are complaining, but we are in such a good position right now. We have what looks like 2 great players who really want to be here. We are 2 years away from anything and we have a bunch of expiring assets. Be bold. For the 2nd time in 25 years, be really bold. I think being bold this year is using expirings for a young piece (Kuzma or Ingram for taking Deng) or trying to open cap for a summer we can spend.

Status quo is not enough. This roster is not enough. Pull the bandaid and build it all around Mitchell and Gobert.

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I give up. You just don't understand that just clearing house with no discernible plan is a recipe for failure. Yes I brought up taking assets in a salary dump as the only logical plan for "cleaning house". You need to understand clearing all our cap space to spend on B to C level players doesn't move the needle for us because we already have B to C level players.

You're confusing the criticism of the solution as criticism of the method. Sure let's clear the cap space IF we have an a plan to sign, trade, or acquire assets (draft picks) to obtain a star. Let's not clear all our B and C players to sign other B and C players.
 
MDAV28 said:
I give up. You just don't understand that just clearing house with no discernible plan is a recipe for failure. Yes I brought up taking assets in a salary dump as the only logical plan for "cleaning house". You need to understand clearing all our cap space to spend on B to C level players doesn't move the needle for us because we already have B to C level players.

You're confusing the criticism of the solution as criticism of the method. Sure let's clear the cap space IF we have an a plan to sign, trade, or acquire assets (draft picks) to obtain a star. Let's not clear all our B and C players to sign other B and C players.
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Look kid, we have a bunch of B and C EXPIRING assets right now. Better to turn a short term B asset into a long term C asset than just lose that B asset for nothing.

Nobody on the planet could tell you exactly who we would sign with cap space. So you expecting that is idiotic. I gave you the plan. I gave you potential names.

If your plan is to keep everybody we have and continue to tread water and draft late lottery, then your plan sucks. We have tried that the last 5 plus years and the plan does not work. I'm excited about Mitchell and Exum in the long term, but all they have is Gobert and maybe overpaid Hood. Not enough

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Different trade scenario, but probably not worth making a thread over: Dan Favale published a BR article with trade suggestions for each fringe playoff team, and recommended the Jazz send Favors, AB, and this year's top-ten protected first to Dallas for Harrison Barnes.

My first instinct is to say no thanks, especially because of his contract, and the fact it's back-loaded. That said, I'm curious to see what others think. I can't say I've paid particularly close attention to Barnes' play, but it does seem he could be a pretty good fit slotted in at 4 next to Gobert.

Ultimately, I think the first rounder would be a deal-breaker for me. I don't really see Dallas doing it without a first.

Link to article: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ba-playoff-team-should-already-be-considering
 
radiohegel said:
Different trade scenario, but probably not worth making a thread over: Dan Favale published a BR article with trade suggestions for each fringe playoff team, and recommended the Jazz send Favors, AB, and this year's top-ten protected first to Dallas for Harrison Barnes.

My first instinct is to say no thanks, especially because of his contract, and the fact it's back-loaded. That said, I'm curious to see what others think. I can't say I've paid particularly close attention to Barnes' play, but it does seem he could be a pretty good fit slotted in at 4 next to Gobert.

Ultimately, I think the first rounder would be a deal-breaker for me. I don't really see Dallas doing it without a first.

Link to article: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ba-playoff-team-should-already-be-considering
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I love that trade. I would try to make it lottery protected this year and top 10 protected next year

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LoPo said:
Look kid, we have a bunch of B and C EXPIRING assets right now. Better to turn a short term B asset into a long term C asset than just lose that B asset for nothing.

Nobody on the planet could tell you exactly who we would sign with cap space. So you expecting that is idiotic. I gave you the plan. I gave you potential names.

If your plan is to keep everybody we have and continue to tread water and draft late lottery, then your plan sucks. We have tried that the last 5 plus years and the plan does not work. I'm excited about Mitchell and Exum in the long term, but all they have is Gobert and maybe overpaid Hood. Not enough

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Bruh google 2018 FAs, that’s who we could sign in FA. Also Google restricted free agency before you say Gordon and Jabari again.

Let’s just stick with your formula though. Get rid of these guys + get cap space + ??? = championship.
 
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