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sahlensguy said:
Not even debatable? Please. If they were on different teams and contracts were not an issue, you would not want to trade Gobert for Mitchell? I know I would. And that takes nothing away from Gobert's impact and greatness, but Mitchell dictates what he wants to do with the ball. Gobert can' do that. Simply put, Mitchell plays better basketball.
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The disrespect for what Gobert did last year is astronomical. He was arguably a top 10 player last year.
 
Like last year, Jazz fans lol'd at the "but Gobert isnt elite because he cant create his own shot" narrative and now some are using it to say Mitchell>Gobert. GTFO
 
I really dislike discussions as to who is the best player on the team, because it always seems to diminish the contribution of every player but one.



On the other hand, we already know how great Gobert is...

...and what if he is the second best player on the team by the end of the season?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
What if they watched the Bulls game where he scored 4 points on 1/10 shooting? I'm sorry, Mitchell had just had too many performances like that to call him the best or 2nd best player. That's not people saying he isnt going to be great. It's just people not getting ahead of themselves unnecessarily.
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You are conflating one performance with the ob
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Like last year, Jazz fans lol'd at the "but Gobert isnt elite because he cant create his own shot" narrative and now some are using it to say Mitchell>Gobert. GTFO
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Saying Mitchell is better than Gobert is not disrespecting Rudy just like saying Rudy is better than Don is not disrespecting Don. It doesn't matter anyways they are both awesome. But from a bench-racing standpoint I have thought Donovan was the best player on our team for over a month and now I'm convinced he's not only probably the best on our team but could possibly become the best in the NBA at some point.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The disrespect for what Gobert did last year is astronomical. He was arguably a top 10 player last year.
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Well it took you one game (last night's) to agree that Mitchell is better than Joe. This followed your reasoning that Joe was better because of Mitchell lack of consistency. Where did that reasoning go after just one more game?

Look, I get it, Gobert is great and has proven his eating of souls over time, and it's not cool to bash our players, but gosh, why dismiss my opinion so abruptly considering you changed your mind on Joe and Donovan just a day after we had that discussion?

I think you're being biased. Again.
 
sahlensguy said:
Well it took you one game (last night's) to agree that Mitchell is better than Joe. This followed your reasoning that Joe was better because of Mitchell lack of consistency. Where did that reasoning go after just one more game?

Look, I get it, Gobert is great and has proven his eating of souls over time, and it's not cool to bash our players, but gosh, why dismiss my opinion so abruptly considering you changed your mind on Joe and Donovan just a day after we had that discussion?

I think you're being biased. Again.
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Well my reasoning was Joe was more consistent than Mitchell's variance of performance, but when the high end of your variance includes 41 points I guess I have to give that the nod. And if your recall, I had them 3 ranked as 2a, 2b, and 2c which shows how close I had them.

I don't think it's bias, I think it's just having long-term memory and respecting years of work.
And look taking the ranking of Ingles, Favors, and Hood is one thing. Those are 3 non All-Stars who are role players (besides Favors who is a really good player in a primary roll man role). Taking the place of Rudy Gobert who is a DPOY runner-up, 2nd team All-NBA center, and someone who basically makes the Jazz defense top 3 overall when without him they are just average is an entirely different thing and not something I'm just going to concede to a rookie.
 
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sahlensguy said:
How about looking at the month of November? (I realize that it' a small sample size, but if we are to rank mitchell, there is only a small sample size.) I'm sure here are nuances to the game in which Ingles excels at that the average fan and myself included, don't pick up on where he excels over Donovan, but I still think Donovan jumps off the screen to an unbiased average fan as the best player on the team. And with the trend where Rudy was going, that includes he as well.
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Let's see what he does in December. Was November a hot streak month, can he duplicate November in December, will he be better even.
 
Just wondering... the jazz have been lights out as of late without Hood and Gobert. What happens when they get healthy?

Will the jazz be even better, on par or worse? Don't construe this as me saying trade Hood or Gobert, it's just that chemistry is so good right now.

What happens to Favors and Burks?
 
And look, if you want to project that Mitchell will become the best player years down the line, sure, have your opinion.

If you are saying at this very moment Mitchell > Gobert, please gtfo and stop having opinions.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Well my reasoning was Joe was more consistent than Mitchell's variance of performance, but when the high end of your variance includes 41 points I guess I have to give that the nod. And if your recall, I had them 3 ranked as 2a, 2b, and 2c which shows how close I had them.

I don't think it's bias, I think it's just having long-term memory and respecting years of work.
And look taking the ranking of Ingles, Favors, and Hood is one thing. Those are 3 non All-Stars who are role players (besides Favors who is a really good player in a primary roll man role). Taking the place of Rudy Gobert who is a DPOY runner-up, 2nd team All-NBA center, and someone who basically makes the Jazz defense top 3 overall when without him they are just average is an entirely different thing and not something I'm just going to concede to a rookie.
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I didn' expect you to concede. I only expeced you not to be dismissive.

So you wouldn' trade Gobert for a Mitchell?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Well my reasoning was Joe was more consistent than Mitchell's variance of performance, but when the high end of your variance includes 41 points I guess I have to give that the nod. And if your recall, I had them 3 ranked as 2a, 2b, and 2c which shows how close I had them.

I don't think it's bias, I think it's just having long-term memory and respecting years of work.
And look taking the ranking of Ingles, Favors, and Hood is one thing. Those are 3 non All-Stars who are role players (besides Favors who is a really good player in a primary roll man role). Taking the place of Rudy Gobert who is a DPOY runner-up, 2nd team All-NBA center, and someone who basically makes the Jazz defense top 3 overall when without him they are just average is an entirely different thing and not something I'm just going to concede to a rookie.
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Why not? What does it matter if he's a rookie? You're the type of dude that would make a guy pay his dues just for the sake of convention aren't you? It's obvious this is Donovan's team and has been since before Rudy went out. As great as Rudy is on defense he can not put our team on his back and take over a game like Donovan can. Your take on Donovan has been overly hedged since the start and your ego won't let you admit it.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Just wondering... the jazz have been lights out as of late without Hood and Gobert. What happens when they get healthy?

Will the jazz be even better, on par or worse? Don't construe this as me saying trade Hood or Gobert, it's just that chemistry is so good right now.

What happens to Favors and Burks?
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Burks can still get a lot of minutes with Hood. It's just O'Neale who is going to get his minutes crunched. Same with Favors, it will just be Udoh losing all of his minutes (which is kind of sad cuz Udoh is such a great defender, but the dude is *** on offense).
 
sahlensguy said:
I didn' expect you to concede. I only expeced you not to be dismissive.

So you wouldn' trade Gobert for a Mitchell?
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If I'm starting a team I take Gobert over Mitchell.

I know for a fact I can build a top 5 defense without question as long as I have Gobert.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
If I'm starting a team I take Gobert over Mitchell.

I know for a fact I can build a top 5 defense without question as long as I have Gobert.
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Fair enough.

I don't think that works with the emphasis on small ball and the ever expanding 3 pt shot though.

I'l go with Mitchell's diversity, range and leadership.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
And look, if you want to project that Mitchell will become the best player years down the line, sure, have your opinion.

If you are saying at this very moment Mitchell > Gobert, please gtfo and stop having opinions.
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Who cares? They are both Jazzmen for the next 4 years. You think it matters of Warrior fans care if Durant or Curry is better. Or Sixers with Simmons and Embiid?

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LoPo said:
Who cares? They are both Jazzmen for the next 4 years. You think it matters of Warrior fans care if Durant or Curry is better. Or Sixers with Simmons and Embiid?

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Does anything we write on message boards matter? Do any of our opinions matter? Why do we even have opinions?

Yes, I'm sure it's a huge point of argument on Sixers and Warriors boards who the best is because these are conversations that people are interested in for w/e reason.
 
@Cy
I deleted your quote from my post in case you also want to edit and avoid the dumb hammer.
 
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