CEO raises minimum wage to $70000, takes $70000 wage himself until profits are met.

[Deleted member 848]

Not sure I understand your point here. This may very well be true, but why does it matter? Is the measure of a country's effectiveness how much it pays it's employees and keeping them motivated? There are obviously countries that pay less than America. It's just another thing that is tough to measure.

Btw, I am a huge critic of America.. But not about fairness or needing more government to rule the people. No system is perfect, but America is FAR from having it more wrong than most.

One of our single biggest problems is our media/shock-journalism. If there was one area that I would love to see greater accountability it would be in this absolute cesspool of ********.

Check out the posts i also had in direct response to your posts earlier-- had a few questions I was interested in seeing your answers to


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[Jamezz]

What's the news? He's the CEO. He can do as he wishes.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I don't know how rampant it is, just mentioned that I'm pretty non-knowledged in this field. I DO know that a lack of regulations in every system ever will lead to advantageous amusing.

We have millions of pages (literally) of regulations. What's the magic number for it to be enough, but not too much?

This is pretty easy to find. We beat out every 3rd world country in this metric, but we really bottom out when we compare ourselves with other 1st-class developed nations.

Wait.. who is "we?" America or Canada? Anyway, I'm not interested in a happiness debate. I will say that Americans are generally pretty well off as a whole.. in the happiness department. No need to cite instances of some that are not. That is too obvious.

This is a little generalizing.

Fair enough.

There are millions of Americans who disagree with you-- and the problem isn't in the raw numbers; the problem is in the proportion. When we compare proportions of things like unhappy citizens, poverty rates, and things of that nature, again-- America falls behind. These aren't hyperbola, these are facts that need to be addressed. I'm just trying to ask how.

I don't have the answers.. but paying even higher taxes to exploy an already incredibly inefficently run government is not the answer. I am a huge proponent for more local government and smaller federal. Locals know MUCH better how to better utilize funds for their local needs and how to deal with very specific problems. And it's a lot easier to move from one city to another than from one country to another.. if you don't like how things are being done. This would solve a lot, imo.

Yes, there will always be bad eggs-- however, the proportion of bad eggs is higher in the US than it is in other nations. Why is this? What can we do to address this? If it comes at the expense of economical and technological prowess, are these things that we should ignore? This is what I'm trying to ask.

I don't think it's as bad as you think. We have had a few bad examples in the last 10 years.. but certainly not to the level of needing a major intervention. The fact that these bad eggs got exposed and went to jail is, in itself, a great deturrent for others to follow in those footsteps.

I also think it's unwise to compare America to much smaller, less populated, countries. As I suggested above, a larger federal government loses effectiveness and efficiencies as it's land area and population increases. It is much more difficult to remain in touch with the needs of the people when they become much more scattered, diverse, and less one-size-fits-all.

And a lot of things about America piss other ppl off-- solutions that could be addressed with bigger government. Sure, you can call them lazy (which I consider inaccurate) but a nation that tries to give each citizen a more fair shake at success is a nation that is most prosperous at the end of the day. No one is asking for communism.


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[Jamezz]

Dr. Jones on the right track, the smaller the gov't the better. I hereby declare the Independence of Millcreek!

This country has been socialist since we allowed the international bankers to take over anyway. Elections are the biggest lie, make your choice, socialist or socialist-er.

 

[NAOS]

We have millions of pages (literally) of regulations. What's the magic number for it to be enough, but not too much?





Wait.. who is "we?" America or Canada? Anyway, I'm not interested in a happiness debate. I will say that Americans are generally pretty well off as a whole.. in the happiness department. No need to cite instances of some that are not. That is too obvious.




Fair enough.




I don't have the answers.. but paying even higher taxes to exploy an already incredibly inefficently run government is not the answer. I am a huge proponent for more local government and smaller federal. Locals know MUCH better how to better utilize funds for their local needs and how to deal with very specific problems. And it's a lot easier to move from one city to another than from one country to another.. if you don't like how things are being done. This would solve a lot, imo.





I don't think it's as bad as you think. We have had a few bad examples in the last 10 years.. but certainly not to the level of needing a major intervention. The fact that these bad eggs got exposed and went to jail is, in itself, a great deturrent for others to follow in those footsteps.

I also think it's unwise to compare America to much smaller, less populated, countries. As I suggested above, a larger federal government loses effectiveness and efficiencies as it's land area and population increases. It is much more difficult to remain in touch with the needs of the people when they become much more scattered, diverse, and less one-size-fits-all.

You're off on the wrong foot with regulations if you're measuring quantitatively. I think you probably know that and are just being 'cute'. Regulations will be judged by history according qualitative criteria: were they the right ones? were unnecessary/cloudy ones removed, or had they become ossified in a legal process which was out of touch?

The rest of your argument is too easy and isn't supported by the facts on the ground. It's too easy to rally against big government and federalism, pointing to them as if they are the problem. It's more complex. For example, in US history, the states have terrible environmental records. Literally 100% of them have proven that they will sell out the environment for short-term profit/development (and that probably because state politics are easier to infiltrate with the capitalist bulls that want to relax certain regulations and help prevent regulatory bodies from forming). Believing in states like you do feeds directly into the ******** that Bundy spouts, which why you got sucked in..... which reminds me, I'm still laughing my asss off about that!

I think more localized governments is a good idea on paper. I wish it were closer to reality, but, generally speaking, local governments are even more corrupted and corruptible than larger bodies.

 

[NAOS]

One last side note:

I spent nearly 8 years traveling, and I've NEVER heard a Canadian make so many comments containing the word "we" as Dalamon. I mean, Canadians usually make a point to NOT be associated with Americans and their problems. Maybe there is something going on with the DalaAlt?

 

[b_line]

I don't know many Americans that wish they lived in one of these other happier countries.

Sometimes I wish I lived in one of Canadia, New Zealand or Norway. But not for any reason brought up in this thread. I just think there are some awesome places to live there. But the Western United States is pretty effing awesome, so I am still here.

 

[b_line]

I remember when I was a young college student like Dal, and had everything in the world figured out.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I don't know how rampant it is, just mentioned that I'm pretty non-knowledged in this field. I DO know that a lack of regulations in every system ever will lead to advantageous amusing.



This is pretty easy to find. We beat out every 3rd world country in this metric, but we really bottom out when we compare ourselves with other 1st-class developed nations.



This is a little generalizing.


There are millions of Americans who disagree with you-- and the problem isn't in the raw numbers; the problem is in the proportion. When we compare proportions of things like unhappy citizens, poverty rates, and things of that nature, again-- America falls behind. These aren't hyperbola, these are facts that need to be addressed. I'm just trying to ask how.



Yes, there will always be bad eggs-- however, the proportion of bad eggs is higher in the US than it is in other nations. Why is this? What can we do to address this? If it comes at the expense of economical and technological prowess, are these things that we should ignore? This is what I'm trying to ask.



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And a lot of things about America piss other ppl off-- solutions that could be addressed with bigger government. Sure, you can call them lazy (which I consider inaccurate) but a nation that tries to give each citizen a more fair shake at success is a nation that is most prosperous at the end of the day. No one is asking for communism.


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You're off on the wrong foot with regulations if you're measuring quantitatively. I think you probably know that and are just being 'cute'. Regulations will be judged by history according qualitative criteria: were they the right ones? were unnecessary/cloudy ones removed, or had they become ossified in a legal process which was out of touch?

The rest of your argument is too easy and isn't supported by the facts on the ground. It's too easy to rally against big government and federalism, pointing to them as if they are the problem. It's more complex. For example, in US history, the states have terrible environmental records. Literally 100% of them have proven that they will sell out the environment for short-term profit/development (and that probably because state politics are easier to infiltrate with the capitalist bulls that want to relax certain regulations and help prevent regulatory bodies from forming). Believing in states like you do feeds directly into the ******** that Bundy spouts, which why you got sucked in..... which reminds me, I'm still laughing my asss off about that!

I think more localized governments is a good idea on paper. I wish it were closer to reality, but, generally speaking, local governments are even more corrupted and corruptible than larger bodies.

We can agree to disagree.

 

[RandyForRubio]

I remember when I was a young college student like Dal, and had everything in the world figured out.

Life outside of college changes most perspectives. It's also why those who are career academia are kinda out of touch with reality.

 

[Jamezz]

Life outside of college changes most perspectives. It's also why those who are career academia are kinda out of touch with reality.

Because reality is never questioned in college, and the 'status quo', you just roll with it. For one I have never understood why the Constitution is not a subject that's taught in deepness at schools and colleges, being the document over which this country was founded and which dictate the guidelines that are sadly being overlooked and disrespected.

 

[Beer]

I remember when I was a young college student like Dal, and had everything in the world figured out.

Yep, ideas are great until they end up ****ing you.

 

[franklin]

Look bruh, this is the back-pedal of back-pedals.



Extremely monolithic.


I would love to see this 'non-debatable proof'. An extremely strong statement with zero justification (par for the course).


Even your 'American concepts' aren't ****ing American, Grandpa.


No, measuring happiness is not a perfect science. But to treat it as black and white as you do really is agenda-serving at best.


You're narrow-minded for refusing the existence of a problem, and building false-justifications for the support of perpetuating the existence of said problem.

Did you recently enroll in a debate course? You've become a complete joke and not worth talking with. You don't realize how childish you sound. Act a little more know-it-all mmmmkay. Someday you'll grow up and learn to have dialogue again.

 

[GVC]

One last side note:

I spent nearly 8 years traveling, and I've NEVER heard a Canadian make so many comments containing the word "we" as Dalamon. I mean, Canadians usually make a point to NOT be associated with Americans and their problems. Maybe there is something going on with the DalaAlt?

He lives in Alberta. It's effectively Montana North.

 

[RandyForRubio]

He lives in Alberta. It's effectively Montana North.

LOL

 

[Harambe]

Dala, you ever had a job? An actual paying job? Not an internship.

I've had one. I've had one non stop since I was 14. And I think I agree with most of what Dalamon is saying.

But I think we need to address the "larger government could solve" situation. Being an ambiguous statement in general, I think it's safe to say that most of the immediate hate will be from Propaganda and half truths that we in the US(and many other countries like us) have instilled in us. Buzz words socialism and communism were just as bad for older generations as Terrorism is today.

But forget all that... check it at the door. Lets move on to the meat and potatoes. Let's prove that big government always fails it's people. Example; The United States. We give our government up to 30% of every dollar earned(more if you are the sole proprietor of a business) to do what? Foul up everything from social security, to medicaid, to our national defense(how many people were killed during training in a war we were deceived into?), and all the way up to paying a group of people to make laws that can't manage to make the right, healthy choice for America because someone in their party might lose their seat.

Using the US as a guide, Big Government is an utter failure.

But are we the only big government out there?

 

[Deleted member 848]

We can agree to disagree.

Aka *oh ****, not sure what to say here*




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[Deleted member 848]

He lives in Alberta. It's effectively Montana North.

Pretty much-- but my city is always an island of NDP in the backdrop of an ocean of PC ridings. So my local whereabouts are quite left wing.


I say we because I try to place myself in the perspective of an American for the sake of discussion, seeing as I'm talking with 99% American posters here. If I always refer to y'all's community as "you, you, you", it sounds accusatory-- and that's not the sort of message I'm trying to convey.

Side note: Canadians who desperately try to confirm their Canadian nationhood usually do it for the wrong reasons. I especially love when Canadians are all like "WOW I cannot BELIEVE they treat Blacks like that down there-- we'd never do such a thing!!"

Umm-- Indigenous Peoples, yall?


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[Deleted member 848]

I remember when I was a young college student like Dal, and had everything in the world figured out.

Statements like these are so blah-- instead of addressing what I said being wrong, you bring attention to who I am as a person.

If the fact that I go to college renders me as unable to coherently share any ideas, then so be it. Otherwise, work with what I'm saying & try to rebuttle, instead of joining in that group-think "welllllll UR just A AKADEMIK! Fact-checker!" Nonsense that really helps zero ppl in the long run.


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[Deleted member 848]

Life outside of college changes most perspectives. It's also why those who are career academia are kinda out of touch with reality.

You don't know a ****ing thing about me, nor do you know how much perspective I have. Quit making assumptions on someone you literally do not know.


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