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Charlotte next for Hayward - Big Al helping recruit....

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I likey. At this point, the max rumor has floated around so much for so long that I've convinced myself that 13M per year will be just fine...and who knows, maybe Corbin sucked so badly at developing players and nurturing them and building their confidence that Hayward is a 18/6/5 on good efficiency waiting to happen under Quin's tutelage this coming season. Is it that far-fetched?
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
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I likey. At this point, the max rumor has floated around so much for so long that I've convinced myself that 13M per year will be just fine...and who knows, maybe Corbin sucked so badly at developing players and nurturing them and building their confidence that Hayward is a 18/6/5 on good efficiency waiting to happen under Quin's tutelage this coming season. Is it that far-fetched?
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I'd say it's far fetched. I'm wincing even at $12mm.
 
I like Hayward, but the big holes in his game (off-the-dribble shot, and drives) make it really hard to feature him as a $12mm+ player. I don't think Quin can fix those things. Hayward would be better as a spot up shooter who can make smart plays when his set shot isn't there.

So, again, $12mm is a ****ing lot.
 
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];863417 said:
I like Hayward, but the big holes in his game (off-the-dribble shot, and drives) make it really hard to feature him as a $12mm+ player. I don't think Quin can fix those things. Hayward would be better as a spot up shooter who can make smart plays when his set shot isn't there.

So, again, $12mm is a ****ing lot.
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I hear ya but the more I think about things, a 17/6/5 guy, in this market, with an ever-increasing cap, really may be worth 12-14M. You mentioned his poor driving ability but keep in mind, we will now only need him to do that here or there much like Kawhi only does it here or there for the Spurs. With Exum and Burks, we have two guys with near elite ability to drive and draw fouls. Hayward doesn't necessarily have to follow suit as strongly though it would be nice. He can get 1.5 threes a game on spot up opps, a basket a game in transition which should come easier with Exum's arrival and Burke's development, a few points from the line, and the other 7-8 points off a variety of shots which could include a drive here or there.
 
The big fish teams will be turning their attention to Hayward if they lose out on Carmelo. He won't sign before Carmelo does. LA, Chicago, and Dallas Plan B might be to offer Hayward near max money.
 
I understand that we're going to have to overpay Hayward. Hopefully we can scare off enough teams that we won't have to overpay him the max (if someone offers him the max, i say we tie up their ****ing money for all three days, before signing him at the last second). But we will have to overpay him.

To the people who say don't overpay him: what else are we going to spend the money on? We're not going to be good for a few years. We're not doing anything else with the money. We'd probably be able to resign Burks and Kanter, certainly Burks, and I'd much rather have Hayward than Kanter. If Exum turns out to be great, Hayward's contract will be up as soon as we'd have to pay him. No big free agent is going to sign here unless we develop them.

Hayward is as good of a value as we'll get with the money. Would be ****ing stupid to let him walk for nothing.

I hope we can scare off the other teams and get him for 12 million. If you don't like him at 12 million, tell me what else we should do with it.
 
fallenchicken said:
I understand that we're going to have to overpay Hayward. Hopefully we can scare off enough teams that we won't have to overpay him the max (if someone offers him the max, i say we tie up their ****ing money for all three days, before signing him at the last second). But we will have to overpay him.

To the people who say don't overpay him: what else are we going to spend the money on? We're not going to be good for a few years. We're not doing anything else with the money. We'd probably be able to resign Burks and Kanter, certainly Burks, and I'd much rather have Hayward than Kanter. If Exum turns out to be great, Hayward's contract will be up as soon as we'd have to pay him. No big free agent is going to sign here unless we develop them.

Hayward is as good of a value as we'll get with the money. Would be ****ing stupid to let him walk for nothing.

I hope we can scare off the other teams and get him for 12 million. If you don't like him at 12 million, tell me what else we should do with it.
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I'm not going to wade into the discussion of how much Hayward is actually worth, as I think you've got to have crystal balls to do so. I don't. But I totally agree with some of the above: 1) Not my money, even if I float a little of it to the Miller family, so they'll surely spend it how they want (and apparently make more money all the way, based on the profitability I saw in another thread). 2) If Hayward gets a huge contract I'm not that worried -- we don't currently have anyone else worthy of conversations for max contracts at this point. When some of the guys we have get to where they're worth a max contract Hayward will either be finishing off a stellar 3 years and serving crow or he'll be attractive in a salary dump to somebody. 3) The ceiling is going up. Whatever he gets won't deter us from signing other contracts next year or the year after. 4) We're not really looking for any high paid vets right now. If Lebron suddenly decides Utah is in the picture, then that's a problem we want to have. 5) Even if we were after the top shelf of talent and even if we had MAX money to throw at them (Lebron, Bosh, Duncan (yes, I know he's sewn up) they're not coming to Utah for ANY contract until we prove we can win -- and even then it'll be iffy). 6) We've got assets in future drafts (I'm actually glad we stashed this year's second) and are likely to pick up more. Seems to be the plan. (One last parenthetical to say I'm done using parentheticals here).
 
Stoked said:
I don't want him at the max but Hayward is worth more than 7 mil.
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You can't be a true Jazz Fan unless you learn to HATE our players. Let the hate flow through you. . .Give yourself over to the Dark Side. Hayward should play for FREE! and it should piss you off that other teams want to have him. Who does he think he IS!!!
 
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