Charlottesville

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think it's really stupid how much pandering is being done to "Punch a Nazi" thing. Violence is only going to escalate if the response to the "alt-right" movement is to just punch sense or fear into them. More deaths and more destruction. People just want to romanticize the idea of beating fear or sense into the other side until they agree with you (again, how has the worked in the Middle East?), that's probably not going to happen.

I think something that would be good is to outlaw any and all weaponry from protest and counter protest. Of course that goes against the 2nd amendment, so no chance of that happening either.

And ANTIFA is ****ing stupid and shouldn't be sympathized with or looked upon positively either. You can hate them and Nazi's. You don't have to pick a side, even though people want to make it seem like you have to pick one or the other.

 

[Boris]

I think it's really stupid how much pandering is being done to "Punch a Nazi" thing. Violence is only going to escalate if the response to the "alt-right" movement is to just punch sense or fear into them. More deaths and more destruction. People just want to romanticize the idea of beating fear or sense into the other side until they agree with you (again, how has the worked in the Middle East?), that's probably not going to happen.

I think something that would be good is to outlaw any and all weaponry from protest and counter protest. Of course that goes against the 2nd amendment, so no chance of that happening either.

And ANTIFA is ****ing stupid and shouldn't be sympathized with or looked upon positively either. You can hate them and Nazi's. You don't have to pick a side, even though people want to make it seem like you have to pick one or the other.

That is all the liberals know.
My way or the highway childish actions!
When they protest they get violent.
They came at these peaceful protesters with weapons.

What sane person would not try to defend thereselfs?

Now I gotta stop watchin Jimmy Fallon cause he dove into this an callin out Trump BEFORE th FACTS were out. Just like childish posters here!

 

[Boris]

Oh! Donnie was warned about a rise in White National Extremists back in May.

Please make this your new avatar LEFT WING anarchists caused this you should be CONDEMMING them! You hav emorals? Nope. You fake news brainwashed used this for political posturing. Shame shame.

When even the god dernt Black Lives Matter distances thereselfs from that group where you think you look like with this outrage? ATRUM CREATOR.

 

[Rubashov]

Nah you can't put limits on free speech.

Lots of countries do and a lot of them are just as free as the United states, its all about what forms of speech are given protection and what isn't.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Lots of countries do and a lot of them are just as free as the United states, its all about what forms of speech are given protection and what isn't.

Sure, other countries can.

 

[Eminence]

Frozen peaches? Sounds terrible.

 

[Douchebag K]

I think it's really stupid how much pandering is being done to "Punch a Nazi" thing. Violence is only going to escalate if the response to the "alt-right" movement is to just punch sense or fear into them. More deaths and more destruction. People just want to romanticize the idea of beating fear or sense into the other side until they agree with you (again, how has the worked in the Middle East?), that's probably not going to happen.

I think something that would be good is to outlaw any and all weaponry from protest and counter protest. Of course that goes against the 2nd amendment, so no chance of that happening either.

And ANTIFA is ****ing stupid and shouldn't be sympathized with or looked upon positively either. You can hate them and Nazi's. You don't have to pick a side, even though people want to make it seem like you have to pick one or the other.

It's a pity the rest of your countrymen don't take a leaf out of your book, you're talking a lot of common sense.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

I think it's really stupid how much pandering is being done to "Punch a Nazi" thing. Violence is only going to escalate if the response to the "alt-right" movement is to just punch sense or fear into them. More deaths and more destruction. People just want to romanticize the idea of beating fear or sense into the other side until they agree with you (again, how has the worked in the Middle East?), that's probably not going to happen.

I think something that would be good is to outlaw any and all weaponry from protest and counter protest. Of course that goes against the 2nd amendment, so no chance of that happening either.

And ANTIFA is ****ing stupid and shouldn't be sympathized with or looked upon positively either. You can hate them and Nazi's. You don't have to pick a side, even though people want to make it seem like you have to pick one or the other.

Good job aligning yourself with the opposition. **** Nazi's, WS, and whoever the **** representing white victimization. ANTFIFA is the extreme wing fighting against **** bags. Go for it boys. **** them right in the ***.

Babe, dutchrudder, and their ilk can go find their penises and die for all I care. Extreme racism should be stomped out.

You do pick a side here. Period. I feel fine where I'm at. Those trying to find common ground will fail. **** the KKK, WS, and whatever ******** term they use.

****. You.


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[Saint Cy of JFC]

Good job aligning yourself with the opposition. **** Nazi's, WS, and whoever the **** representing white victimization. ANTFIFA is the extreme wing fighting against **** bags. Go for it boys. **** them right in the ***.

Babe, dutchrudder, and their ilk can go find their penises and die for all I care. Extreme racism should be stomped out.

You do pick a side here. Period. I feel fine where I'm at. Those trying to find common ground will fail. **** the KKK, WS, and whatever ******** term they use.

****. You.


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So there are only 2 sides? You can 100% oppose Nazis, the alt right, and WS/WN and also oppose ANTFIFA and those whose answers to problems are violence.

You can't "stomp out" extreme racism. A great documentary to watch that should inform how people work to combat racism is "Accidental Courtesy".

 

[Zombie]

I just don't understand the need to make this an extreme left vs extreme right thing. Nazis and the KKK marched on a town armed with torches and rifles and some people showed up to oppose them. One of those people got killed for it. Anyone who wants to "both sides" this issue can go **** themselves.



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[Zombie]

I may not agree with antifa's tactics all the time, but it's one hell of a false equivalency to say that they are also to blame for what happened this weekend.

When the streets of america start resembling those of 1930s Germany we're well past the point of laying blame on "both sides." Especially when our president makes clear which side he is on.

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[Jonah]

We have a president that gives cover to the worst of those that gathered at Charlottesville: the Klan, neo-nazis, neo-confederates, and white supremacists. For the somewhat less extreme, white nationalists and the alt-right, he provides jobs in the White House as his advisors. This is America under Trump. It’s shameful. Those that make excuses for him may as well be collaborators.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I may not agree with antifa's tactics all the time, but it's one hell of a false equivalency to say that they are also to blame for what happened this weekend.

When the streets of america start resembling those of 1930s Germany we're well past the point of laying blame on "both sides." Especially when our president makes clear which side he is on.

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A false equivalency would be me saying the views of ANTFIFA are as bad as the views of the White Supremacist and they should be viewed as two sides of the same coin. I have said no such thing. The White Supremacist are 100% to blame for having ****ty views on society and race.

I'm talking about the response to them though and how it is being handled incorrectly (IMO), which lends itself to more violence. ANTFIFA is a part of that problem.

Anyone is welcome to a different opinion, but I don't believe in violence as a vehicle to change an idea people have. I think if anything it helps grow it and make it become more radical. Having that opinion doesn't me sympathetic to their movement.


As far as protest/counter protest go, it's a 1st Amendment right to free speech. It's a 2nd amendment right to bare arms, and a lot of states have open carry being legal, even for automatic weapons. It's some really ****ed up **** that leads to these events being even higher tension than they would be otherwise and I think it would be wise to outlaw weapons of any kind for protest(maybe besides bear mace because the videos of the Alt-Right getting maced where pretty funny).

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

We have a president that gives cover to the worst of those that gathered at Charlottesville: the Klan, neo-nazis, neo-confederates, and white supremacists. For the somewhat less extreme, white nationalists and the alt-right, he provides jobs in the White House as his advisors. This is America under Trump. It’s shameful. Those that make excuses for him may as well be collaborators.

This was always America. Trump didnt create these people (there have always been hate speech rallies, they were just behind hoods), he just gave them confidence. I think largely that confidence is back-firing on them as a lot of people have been exposed who otherwise wouldn't be. Yes Trump is being a complete bitch about calling them out, but a good majority of the world is doing the opposite.

In the past year we have started to see some Confederate monuments fall, and I think that is going to continue. So while Trump's presidency has certainly been ****ty, we can take positives that maybe bringing the **** to the surface will force us to deal with these things instead of just sweeping them under the rug like we have been doing.

 

[Zombie]

That's fair. It just seems to me that, considering what transpired with the girl getting killed and our president's tepid denunciation of and then defense for those responsible, all bringing up antifa does is muddy the waters.

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[Zombie]

This was always America. Trump didnt create these people (there have always been hate speech rallies, they were just behind hoods), he just gave them confidence. I think largely that confidence is back-firing on them as a lot of people have been exposed who otherwise wouldn't be. Yes Trump is being a complete bitch about calling them out, but a good majority of the world is doing the opposite.

In the past year we have started to see some Confederate monuments fall, and I think that is going to continue. So while Trump's presidency has certainly been ****ty, we can take positives that maybe bringing the **** to the surface will force us to deal with these things instead of just sweeping them under the rug like we have been doing.

He didn't just give them confidence. He gave some of them jobs with considerable influence and power. He gave them support today by going after whatever the "alt-left" is and by defending them in terms unmatched by anyone other than themselves.

And honestly I think we need to recognize this collection of racists who call themselves the alt right as a something new and dangerous. Back in the day they used to have the sense to wear hoods, now they march openly. They used to have to rely on dogwhistles from politicians, now they are openly defended in the White House.

And when they march, they have what essentially amounts to a mercenary army with them.

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[DutchJazzer]

Lots of countries do and a lot of them are just as free as the United states, its all about what forms of speech are given protection and what isn't.

lots of countries doing it is not a valid reason! it is a childish thing! parents repsond by syaing if you frined jumped of a bridge would you also do it!

lots of countries throw gays of roofs!

lets start throwing gays of roofs

get your fricking hate speech ******** out of here

 

[DutchJazzer]

I may not agree with antifa's tactics all the time, but it's one hell of a false equivalency to say that they are also to blame for what happened this weekend.

When the streets of america start resembling those of 1930s Germany we're well past the point of laying blame on "both sides." Especially when our president makes clear which side he is on.

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they started violent for months. now the right is retaliating.

the media did not report on it as widely because they are complicit!

 

[Deleted member 848]

I'll punch a nazi if I see one, idgaf

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

He didn't just give them confidence. He gave some of them jobs with considerable influence and power. He gave them support today by going after whatever the "alt-left" is and by defending them in terms unmatched by anyone other than themselves.

And honestly I think we need to recognize this collection of racists who call themselves the alt right as a something new and dangerous. Back in the day they used to have the sense to wear hoods, now they march openly. They used to have to rely on dogwhistles from politicians, now they are openly defended in the White House.

And when they march, they have what essentially amounts to a mercenary army with them.

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If you believe systematic racism is a problem in the country, then you must believe racist have held jobs in high power in many positions prior to Trump being elected. Trump is 100% contributing to the problem further, but the positive still remains that it has become more transparent and easier to prove and debate.