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CHINA vs the NBA.

Ellipse said:
Keep corporations out of politics, PERIOD

Morey was an idiot to tweet what he did, because it put everyone in the NBA in a difficult spot. It is one thing for a player to take a stand, but it goes to a whole new level for a company rep to get involved in foreign politics. Dumbass should be fired.

I can't see the Hong Kong protests ending well. Obviously the citizens feel it is worth it and, since it's their country and their lives, it is their choice. I wish them the best.
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Maybe he wanted Tilman to feel what he does when Fertita goes spouting his mouth. Morey wants to be fired and paid to go away.
 
Ellipse said:
Keep corporations out of politics, PERIOD

Morey was an idiot to tweet what he did, because it put everyone in the NBA in a difficult spot. It is one thing for a player to take a stand, but it goes to a whole new level for a company rep to get involved in foreign politics. Dumbass should be fired.

I can't see the Hong Kong protests ending well. Obviously the citizens feel it is worth it and, since it's their country and their lives, it is their choice. I wish them the best.
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Totally agree regarding corporations staying out of politics. However, I think this rule applies to players and other people within the organization (GM's, Owners, Coaches, etc.). I would have to think that the backlash would be even greater if James Harden had texted what Morey did. Maybe I'm wrong. Either way, comments like this that cost the organization $$ should result in termination. This is negligence, if not gross negligence, on the part of Morey.
 
Hekate said:
Wow. You are a piece of ****.
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Have you even watched the videos of those protesters beating up police and unarmed civilians? You should. Riot police don't just go out and shoot people for absolute no reason. You just believe what you want to believe.
 
jom2003 said:
Have you even watched the videos of those protesters beating up police and unarmed civilians? You should. Riot police don't just go out and shoot people for absolute no reason. You just believe what you want to believe.
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The force the protesters have can't be compared to the police. You don't go around shooting people in the chest if you are covered in armor, have teargas, shields and nightsticks. It's just disproportionate.

I asked police for directions, if the police blocked the way, after the protests in Turkey were over for the night. They said we could use the road and sent a teargas canister after us. So, yes, Police doesn't always need a reason to flex.
 
tfivas said:
Big difference between a protester and a rioter.
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Yep. That's why I said there are censorships coming from both parties. While it is awfully wrong to portray all protesters as rioters, we should not pretend those violent rioters do not exist. It is those riot police's inherent right to protect themselves when they felt that their lives are in danger. That's why I wouldnt necessarily take too much out of the news of someone getting shot in the chest in Hong Kong. Unless you know the full story.
 
Hekate said:
The force the protesters have can't be compared to the police. You don't go around shooting people in the chest if you are covered in armor, have teargas, shields and nightsticks. It's just disproportionate.

I asked police for directions, if the police blocked the way, after the protests in Turkey were over for the night. They said we could use the road and sent a teargas canister after us. So, yes, Police doesn't always need a reason to flex.
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Armor shields or tear gas may protect you against a few people. But if you are cornered into a tight spot, getting hammered and stepped on by a mob, or being attacked by molotov cocktail, that is a complete different story. Especially when they do have actual live videos to back it up. Again, I'm not saying their story is 100% accurate. I'm just saying that clear evidence suggests not all of the riot police were out there solely for the purpose of flexing their power.
 
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The main thing that started this is the China started a law that they can extradite people from HK to China for criminal charges. The courts are far less fair in China than HK. Courts in China are controlled by the communist party and will follow what they want.

I havent read through most of this. But this issue of HK and China is far more complex than just HK is fighting for human rights and China is trying to shut them down.

There are plenty of bad things the Chinese government has done but there are plenty of good things as well. Their system is very different than western culture. But unlike the US they dont really have crime issues and homelessness. 1/2 the country was in poverty and they took care of their own people and got them out of that.

Just like in the USA a lot of people in China dont like some stuff about their government but they also love a lot of things and have national pride. They realize there are issues. Most people though realize that they are giving up some major rights by being in China but what they get is less worries day to day. There are far far more laws in China and far far less control on your day to day lives. Plus far less concerns about crime. But there is the fear that the government can do whatever to you and you have no say in it. People also care far less about government and politics here. Most people in China dont really care too much about the HK situation and dont have a lot of opinions on it. Obviously they do in HK. Talking to a few people in HK I think it depends on a few things how you feel about it. A lot of people with pretty good jobs that are getting paid well and have a comfortable life are pretty upset about the protest since it is hurting them.

Personally these protest remind me a bit of the 2% protests in NYC awhile ago. They have a good cause and reasons for what they are doing. But it is really disorganized and they dont have a clear goal or mission with their protests. They are also being disruptive and hurting a lot of their fellow citizens more than anyone else. Its also a lot of younger people that get passionate easily and upset.

There is also the issue that HK used to be the main port for the area and was financially very prosperous. That is not as true as it was. They have much more competition from other China ports in the area and money is shifting away. This is also causing people to be upset.

Personally I think China should let HK be their own country. Although that would hurt HK financially a lot since China would not support them and would try to shut them out financially. I dont think HK can compete with the other China cities close by. But I think they should still let them vote and if they want independence let them. They could give an option for people to be relocated to China if they want. But I doubt China does that since they view that as a sign of weakness and want to save face on this.

I just hope the violence stops and it doesnt escalate.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I think they are low because there are cameras everywhere, punishments are harsh, and there is less poverty/need to commit crime out of desperation.
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Japan has ******** policies. They can detain and interrogate someone for up to 23 days. People falsely admit guilt after a while because they break because, well, 23 days is an eternity.

Many are therefore terrified to do anything.
 
I have issues with some of that. But talking to some I see the benefit. Its nice to hear from women that they feel pretty safe to walk home from a bar by themselves at night. Living without some of those fears is nice. Being on camera and being tracked is the price you pay though. For most people here, they dont mind. They arent doing anything that they dont mind if the cameras see.

I do like the benefits though. For the most part no one cares what you do unless you are being a complete ****. There are not bar laws. You can drink what you want, you drink when you want, where you want. Its just up to you to take care of yourself. There are no
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Japan has ******** policies. They can detain and interrogate someone for up to 23 days. People falsely admit guilt after a while because they break because, well, 23 days is an eternity.

Many are therefore terrified to do anything.
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Yep, scaring people out of crime is something they do in China as well. A lot of people here dont like stuff like that but think its worth it that they have very little crime and dont have to be fearful of that type of crime. They realize they are giving up some things for that. But most feel like they arent worried because they are going to be committing crime and the government doesnt really care about what they are doing and can just live their lives without worrying.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Japan has ******** policies. They can detain and interrogate someone for up to 23 days. People falsely admit guilt after a while because they break because, well, 23 days is an eternity.

Many are therefore terrified to do anything.
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Well. Singapore welcomes you lol
 
Ron Mexico said:
Yep, scaring people out of crime is something they do in China as well. A lot of people here dont like stuff like that but think its worth it that they have very little crime and dont have to be fearful of that type of crime. They realize they are giving up some things for that. But most feel like they arent worried because they are going to be committing crime and the government doesnt really care about what they are doing and can just live their lives without worrying.
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Until they’re the one wrongly accused and detained. Then they’d give a ****.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Until they’re the one wrongly accused and detained. Then they’d give a ****.
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Yes, they would. I think that is one of the things people dont like. But the chances of that happening are next to none for them. In a city like Beijing of 22 million people, for an average citizen they are really left alone to do what they want as long as they are harming others or creating a scene. People who are detained are usually people causing some sort of issue that is a big deal. They do track things here but they dont really care about little things like me saying something bad about China. They do care if you are trying to gather people up to start talking bad about China for example.

Personally I have mixed feelings. I really like how it feels much more free to be in China day to day. But I also dont really like a lot of the government knows best attitude and that everything is done behind closed doors. Its a real struggle for someone like me that think the government shouldnt be messing with our day to day lives unless we are hurting people around us. They do that on a small scale but not on a large scale and obviously they are not transparent at all here. Although they are not in the USA either, which I dont like. But it is worse here in that regard. I wish USA would adopt some of the things they do right here.

There is also huge benefits to a government that can just force things.
 
People want to make this out like China is bad and USA is good. That is far from the truth. USA has some bad policies and has done some terrible things in general. But overall its a great place to live and you can have a great life there. The same can be said of China. Maybe the current bad things are slightly bigger in China but the sentiment is the same.
 
Ron Mexico said:
People want to make this out like China is bad and USA is good. That is far from the truth. USA has some bad policies and has done some terrible things in general. But overall its a great place to live and you can have a great life there. The same can be said of China. Maybe the current bad things are slightly bigger in China but the sentiment is the same.
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That's why I highly encourage people to actually visit China, talk to real Chinese people, or do some study on China before taking sides in this ongoing Hong Kong conflict. Politics is a mess. Don't get involved until you are ready to.
 
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