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Clippers @ Jazz | Saturday November 6th @ 7pm

The Jazz have gotten nothing from the 2, spotty play from the 1, 3 and 5, and very little help from the bench. The bigs have yet to be be smart enough to put a body on anyone when a shot goes up. The Jazz are still 3-3.

Size may be an issue in a few matchups this season, but so far it has been only a minor problem (if that). There are far greater concerns at this point.
And most of those concerns are correctable.
I'm going to go ahead and use this to bump my thread.
 
Harp's continual sloppy-seconds references DEF the highlight of the game. Im not so down on him as a color man. He's 10x better then Boler. Besides the already-mentioned "umm...no, it wont count at all" comment to Boler he also had to point out the ball going off Kamen's hand out of bounds even tho the replay clearly showed it about 7 times... Boler still didnt see it until Harp pointed it out.
 
Harp got happy with the pen last night, it was hilarious. I like him more than Booner, but man he is the biggest homer.
 
I dont even think he's that big of a homer...the homers that bother me are the ones who disagree with obvious ref calls that go against a team. Harp usually gives the refs credit for a good call even if its against the Jazz. He did a couple of times just last night.
 
Harp didn't annoy me nearly as much last night. Maybe he'll be ok.

Yeah, but he is such a friggin homer. I was always proud that the Jazz had a non-homer broadcast...especially in comparison to teams like SAC, HOU, BOS and others... Now, we have our own homer. And it disgusts me.
 
Harp didn't annoy me nearly as much last night. Maybe he'll be ok.

As much as I hate to admit it, I have to agree. When he first started, it seemed like he felt he had to keep talking continuously, which made me want to puncture my eardrums. I was afraid I'd have to watch the rest of the season on mute. Last night he seemed like he was starting to get the hang of it. I might even have to change my sig, but not until Utah is at least 5 games over .500. Until then, I plan on blaming Harp's association with the Jazz for any and all of their struggles.
 
Yeah, but he is such a friggin homer. I was always proud that the Jazz had a non-homer broadcast...especially in comparison to teams like SAC, HOU, BOS and others... Now, we have our own homer. And it disgusts me.

Homer cheering is fine. Homer whining about refereeing is not fine. Harpring does the former, not the latter.
 
Yeah, but he is such a friggin homer. I was always proud that the Jazz had a non-homer broadcast...especially in comparison to teams like SAC, HOU, BOS and others... Now, we have our own homer. And it disgusts me.

He's not remotely close to those guys. Not even in the same stratosphere.
 
Again, size was not the issue. Sap was late. He jumped from under the basket and to the side (not from out in front of the restricted area) to try to block it. Gordon split AK and Sap. More size would not have helped (we're talking about an Eric Gordon drive, after all). It's clear as day.
How can you even argue this? How could Sap be "late" when he was in the key from the point that Gordon crossed the free throw line? Sap was in the right position. He still had to stay close to his man. If he had moved over any sooner, than he would have left his man open for the dish. But if he were 3 to 6 inches taller--say, like Elson and Fes are--he would have had a chance to block it from where he was. Any denial of this is disingenuous.

Now, if your contention is that the Jazz frontcourt was "lead-foot"-ed on that play (or throughout the game/season), at least I can understand where you're coming from.
Good. A shred of sanity. That's hopeful. The lineup wouldn't have been as lead-footed if Sloan had managed the minutes better--both that night and the night before. Elson and Fes were doing BETTER in there (more like neutral rather than negative, allowing other players to peform around them) than Jefferson for much of the first half in both games, so this isn't even an argument of whether the centers would be a step down. Jefferson is not in good shape (an argument that was weakly attributed to Fesenko last year as an explanation for his DNP, game after game), he doesn't know the offense (ditto), and he has been poor at boxing out (something that the centers aren't doing consistently either, but not at the same rate as AJ IMHO).

Big Al played the PnR fine, but got crossed up.
Absolutely false. "Crossed up" does not have anything to do with being in no man's land, inside the key. Big Al played neither the "Pick" (cutting off Gordon) nor the "Roll" (AJ was too far from Kaman to defend him if CK had rolled; but it wasn't necessary because the key was so wide open, thanks to Jefferson).

Maybe more fleet footed bigs could have played it better (again, being taller would have had absolutely no impact there).
After 50 minutes of playing time, Kosta freaking BOOM BEYOTCHES could've played it better. Elson would've been the best choice for that last play; he was 40 minutes' fresher and is probably more selective about fouling. I wonder if Sloan even thought of that.

Sap (or AK) could have rotated earlier to get in better position to contest the dunk (but Sap is far from lead-footed, generally).
Again, no and no. Both AK and Sap were in OK position. They couldn't sag any further; Kiri was already WAY inside. If Gordon had dished out to AK's man on the baseline and the shot had gone in, Utah would've LOST. This play broke down with Jefferson being not high enough on the post to close off the pick. Again, this is Basketball 101; the pick and roll is probably taught in the first semester.

Sap's size has not been an issue thus far. He's outplayed his matchup easily on average this season. So far, Big Al has been a disappointment, but that may change moving forward (it may not). Neither is an elite defensive rebounder (they're both very good offensive rebounders), and there are only so many offensive rebounds to go around, so the rebounding will likely continue to be a problem. Again, this has nothing to do with height (I realize to you height and +/- are the only indicators...). It's still early, so we'll have to see how the Jazz adjust.
Your flippant misstatement about stats is lost in your inaccuracy; especially given that I am breaking down a play here, which has little to do with +/- and doesn't even have to do with height; the bigger blunder was to put a tired 50-minute player out there in the first place. What you are accurate about is AJ having been below expectations, and that he will probably get better. That doesn't excuse Sloan from not putting in lineups that can win the games NOW.

"Coaching 102"? I think I just peed my pants. How many games coaching competitive basketball did you say you've coached?
I was trying to be conservative. Probably should've said "Coaching 101," because just like the pick and roll would most likely be taught in the first semester of such a course series, so would coaching it.
 
I love DWill but am I the only one that thought his play late in the 4th Qtr especially his TO's is what caused the game to get to OT in the first place? But he did hit the J in the 2nd OT to seal the game.
Big Al does need to work on finishing around the rim especially off rebounds or tip passes but this season is young and so it is a small sample size.
 
Your flippant misstatement about stats is lost in your inaccuracy; especially given that I am breaking down a play here, which has little to do with +/- and doesn't even have to do with height; the bigger blunder was to put a tired 50-minute player out there in the first place. What you are accurate about is AJ having been below expectations, and that he will probably get better. That doesn't excuse Sloan from not putting in lineups that can win the games NOW.

Not that I disagree with you on this Statement ISG. Because I don't. But you do realize that Sloan by Rule couldn't sub in Elson during that time out because he is only allowed one sub during a TO. He put in Raja For CJ Durning that TO to try to keep Bleadsow out of the lane. Jefferson did not play that P&R well and Gordon got a dunk. Would Elson or Fes have been able to stop it? Don't know. But they would have been in Jefferson's spot not near the rim. But regardless Sloan went with the Raja instead of big sub. I would have also in his place.
 
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Harp is not as big of a homer as some other announcers in the league, but there's a very strong subtext of him angling for an important gig within the organization. No facts or particular moments to back this claim up (Hopper Disclaimer: Activate), but it's fun to listen to games with this assumption, right or wrong.
 
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