LjJazzman
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The 7ppg you pointed out is one of the least important stats about Ingles....
Colton's plan for the offseason, including how I convince Hayward to stay
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The 7ppg you pointed out is one of the least important stats about Ingles....
LjJazzman
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All these teams with cap space going after young pgs has been GREAT for the Jazz. The potential teams for Hill to sign with is already probably half of what he was expecting back when the Jazz were negotiating a extension with him. 18mil a year for him is a very realistic expectation that months ago I would not have thought possible. I think 18 mil is even a little high for what I'd want him at but 18 mil wouldn't be an awful deal.
How many teams have cap space? Only about 10, I think, if that many. (After teams re-sign their own FAs.) The 4th best SF won't get much beyond the MLE as there are about 15 better players ahead of him that are more likely to get more than the MLE.
Jack Strop
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I can defer my bet (if I win).
I also think Jingles doesn't want to do a free agent tour, nor fret about if a team IS going to offer him more. I'm guessing if Utah steps forward with 4/$40 he signs immediately.
It only takes 1 team. All 10 teams who have the space need a SF like Ingles.
Hey Colton,
Because if you follow your plan and take on more salary in a trade before July 1st you go from 9.8m to over 10m in Luxury tax. Besides you can't use the cap space before July 1st if you want to sign Teo. There is barely enough room to sign Teo and it has to be done before Hayward, Hill, and Ingles signs. If they use the cap space avail now until July 1st they would have to lose the bird rights to one of their free agents, meaning they couldn't re-sign one of the three.
Because if you follow your plan and take on more salary in a trade before July 1st you go from 9.8m to over 10m in Luxury tax. Besides you can't use the cap space before July 1st if you want to sign Teo. There is barely enough room to sign Teo and it has to be done before Hayward, Hill, and Ingles signs. If they use the cap space avail now until July 1st they would have to lose the bird rights to one of their free agents, meaning they couldn't re-sign one of the three.
I just tried googling it but couldn't find anything reliable. One website listed about 10 teams with significant cap space, another one just two or three. And none of them used the new actual cap number, nor were up-to-date with the latest trades.
Here's an article that at least gives details on how it came up with its numbers: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-salary-cap-situation-ahead-of-2017-offseason
Here's a summary:
Atlanta - no cap space
Boston - 15.4 projected cap space
Brooklyn - 22.6 projected space
Charlotte - no space
Chicago - 14.8 projected space
Cleveland - no space
Dallas - 22.0 projected space
Denver - 11.7 projected space
Detroit - no space
Golden State - no space
Houston - 5.7 projected space
Indiana - 13.6 projected space
LA Clippers - no space
LA Lakers - 17.5 projected space
Memphis - no space
Miami - 30.9 projected space
Milwaukee - no space
Minnesota - 10.6 projected space
New Orleans - no space
NY Knicks - 13.9 projected space
Oklahoma City - no space
Orlando - 15.8 projected space
Philly - 46.7 projected space
Phoenix - 11.3 projected space
Portland - no space
Sacramento - 14.8 projected space
San Antonio - no space
Toronto - no space
Utah - no space
Washington - no space
At the very least those numbers should all be reduced by 2 mill each, due to the cap being lowered to 99 from the projected 101.
That would predict 11 teams with more than $10 million in cap space and only 5 teams with more than $15 million (if I counted correctly).
MDAV28
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Thank you. Atlanta for SURE has cap space though so not sure how reliable.
OK, thanks. I'll see if [MENTION=253]Saint Cy of JFC[/MENTION] wants to bet.
MDAV28
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Would a rebuilding team care to have a SF like Ingles as opposed to developing younger players? What would be the purpose of signing Ingles, to hit the salary floor?
If he signs for less in Utah but there's no report of another offer of that size, what would be left to conclude?
Glad you came back and read and responded a second time for something tl;dr. Look, I don't doubt a lot of teams could use and want him, it's just that they've got other things they need and want, too. It's a lot like people here and George Hill -- most everyone agrees we would need and want him, but many say that $20M or more is too much (not that they simply don't want him).
OK, want to do an avatar bet? I bet he doesn't get $15 million/year on his new contract, you bet that he does?
MDAV28
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I think Ingles is a very solid NBA player and I believe many teams would want him. But I'm not sure of many teams that fit the criteria of having the cap space to offer a large contract that Utah won't match and also in win now mode that and Ingles signing would make sense.
There numbers are super inaccurate. Minnesota is projected to have around 20+ million. They got an injury exemption on Pecovic's contract.
I'm betting he gets an offer.
How do you know they do? The article says that they only get cap space if they (a) let Millsap walk, (b) renounce Tim Hardaway Jr. and Thabo Sefolosha, and (c) renounce their Mike Scott and Mo Williams trade exceptions. He finds that all unlikely, so therefore said they have no projected cap space. I have no idea if that's accurate, but the author sounds like he knows what he's talking about.
It's on then! Terms: winner chooses an avatar for the loser, which the loser must use for two months. Sound good?
[MENTION=253]Saint Cy of JFC[/MENTION]
By the way, this was being overly generous at least if the national media's opinions are to be believed.
SI lists Ingles as the 34th best FA
https://www.si.com/nba/2017/06/26/nba-free-agency-2017-top-50-players-kevin-durant-stephen-curry
Hoopshype lists him as the 43rd best FA
http://hoopshype.com/2017/06/15/nba-free-agency-2017-the-top-players/
CBS sports doesn't even include him on their top 60 list
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/n...ailable-players-potential-team-fits-analysis/
and USA today lists Ingles as only the 10th best SF https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...y-top-10-free-agents-each-position/434272001/
Granted many of those players will re-sign with their own teams, but even so a lot of them will be looking for FA deals with new teams. I remain convinced that Ingles doesn't get anywhere near $15 million/year.