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And let's say you trade for Ingram/Williams with the packages I said and it goes horribly wrong.

You trade Lauri in the off-season now that he is under full control, you don't re-sign Ingram, and you only have Williams 13 million on the books vs Clarkson/Collins being owed 36 million. You tank for Boozer/Dybantsa in 2026 and go from there.

Ultimately the only asset you lost of any value is Walker Kessler and very few of us are that high on him overall.
 
I think Kessler has to be in the deal for NO. Collins and Kessler for Ingram we roll with Eubanks at center and Flip. I am definitely a no on Ingram but it’s not a hell no. I need to see the whole picture first.
 
jazznik said:
All recent championship teams had good defense: Boston, Denver, Milwaukee. There is one good defender on the Jazz now, Kessler, and he is seriously discussed as part of the deal for Ingram. The team featuring Lauri, Ingram, Keyonte and Sexton is going nowhere and getting killed defensively in the first round of the playoffs (if they make it). Ainge is not stupid, the two Boston championship teams that he built were very good defensively. He will not go for expensive, defensively challenged core with poor playmaking.
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Agreed

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SoberasHotRod said:
If no team wants to pay him that much money, then he won't get that much money.

If we acquire him in a trade then here are the scenarios:
A) He plays so well that he is worth the money and we have a great player locked up for the future (Best Case scenario)
B) He plays so well that he is worth the money and then chooses to sign somewhere else in free agency (would hurt pretty bad)
B) He doesn't play well enough to earn the money, and someone pays him anyway (not our problem),
C) He doesn't play well enough to earn the money and we sign him for what he's worth.
D) He doesn't play well enough to earn the money, but we pay him anyway (Worst Case Scenario, but also very unlikely imo)

If the acquisition cost is cheap enough, then it might be worth the risk.

If the acquisition cost is really just Collins and a first then what you are really balancing is the benefit of getting off of Collins contract and the possibility of adding a significant piece to our puzzle against a first round pick and the risk of losing our 2025 pick to OKC for a guy we end up not wanting long term.

I love the 2025 draft, and so that is a tough decision for me, but I'm starting to like the 2026 draft even better and so if it doesn't work and we had to pivot to going all in for 2026 then that might not be so bad. If it works, and we don't have to endure all of the losing, that is very tempting.
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All this is true. Good post.

For me, I still would rather get a better player than Ingram who is also much younger and much cheaper. So that is the route I would choose

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Saint Cy of JFC said:
How many players in this draft will be top 20 players at any point in their career and how long will it take them to become that?

The reality might be that Lauri takes another step, Sexton takes another step, Walker takes a big step, and the the rest of the players also progress. The fact might be the Jazz are too good to tank.
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In this case we would have to resort to a little
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SoberasHotRod said:
Tanking with Lauri is potentially problematic because I don't think you can just flip a switch and we're going to be good in 2026.
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We are talking about flipping that switch right now though right?

Wouldn't we still have hella assets next summer to do what we are talking about doing right now?

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Robert Williams has had an entire year to rehab. He may be ready to be healthy?

His advanced stats are just stupid, especially in the playoffs. He's an elite defender who has been hidden by consistent injuries.
 
Is there anyway to sign Okoro (let's say it will have to be 3/45 for Cleveland not to match) while trading Walker/Collins for Ingram, trading for Clarkson/Sensabaugh for Williams and R&E Lauri?
 
Sexton/Collier
Keyonte/Okoro/Juzang
Ingram/Williams
Lauri/Hendricks
Williams/Filipowski/Eubanks

I really like that team. Give OKC our 2025 pick by making the playoffs then pray for something catastrophic to happen to Minny or Cleveland for the 2026 swap.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Theoretically I think Sexton/Ingram/Lauri can be great together. I could see it having a learning curve period. Both Sexton and Ingram are known for holding the ball too long, but they are both great playmakers. Sexton just had his career high in assist % at 30% and Ingram's last 3 years have been 28/27/27. In theory you would have really great playmakers 1-3 next to Lauri's spacing and Walker's vertical spacing. Maybe the Collins trade is like Collins/Sensabaugh/1st round pick.

I think you go into the season with:

Sexton
Keyonte
Ingram
Lauri
Walker

Then you have Hendricks/Clarkson/Filipowski/Eubanks/Juzang off the bench. Maybe sign Gordon Hayward or Lonnie Walker?

And you see how that does, you might need to make a decision on Sexton/Keyonte for a better defensive guard who can fit a role better, but you would have so much firepower around Walker's defense.
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I like it, but I also have pretty low expectations, I just want a team that makes sense.

If Cody eventually becomes a guy that you can play at the 2 then I think that lineup really works with Sexton or Keyonte at 1.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
I like it, but I also have pretty low expectations, I just want a team that makes sense.

If Cody eventually becomes a guy that you can play at the 2 then I think that lineup really works with Sexton or Keyonte at 1.
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Yeah, that's why I like this idea. You are keeping a lot of your future facing assets.
 
Brandon Ingram is basically non-existent on social media. Hasnt posted on IG in over a year, hasnt posted on twitter in over 3 years. He's lowkey as it gets, perfect fit for Utah.
 
I don't think Ingram will be it... and I do wonder how desperate NO gets as training camp approaches. I think the not taking salary dumps will be partly because of money and not really caring much about 2nd round picks. They will sell it as waiting until the deadline so that they are one of the only teams able to take on money and they will get a premium. Not that I think the Ingram idea is ridiculous... cuz DA is the value hunter. I just think we are making mountains out of molehills.
 
fishonjazz said:
We are talking about flipping that switch right now though right?

Wouldn't we still have hella assets next summer to do what we are talking about doing right now?

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True, but the cost to acquire a guy with as much talent as Ingram for cheap might not be an option next year.
 
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