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Corbin: I was afraid of this

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zman1527

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From today's Trib:

"Utah has potential. But it also has serious issues — highlighted by the fact that Corbin has yet to determine what style of basketball he wants his squad to play."

And he was hired to be HC? No wonder he failed to get any of the jobs he interviewed for. Wouldn't that be one of the first questions for a HC candidate? And migod, how do you go into a draft not knowing that?

Yes, that is a serious issue. To the degree it is a true statement, if I was the owner, I would be looking for a new HC. Now. Immediately. Before the draft. If Corbin has not got that figured out yet, he is not HC material.
 
Glass Half Full: He has several ideas, but wants to wait until he knows his personnel to chart a course. I'm really not concerned.
 
billyshelby said:
Glass Half Full: He has several ideas, but wants to wait until he knows his personnel to chart a course. I'm really not concerned.
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A. I think his philosophy of basketball should be fairly well set. Of course it should always be tweaked to the personnel, but the basics should be the same. My belief is that should be a rock solid principle for a coach although adaptable over years for rules changes and talent changes, as in the 3 point shot or zone defenses. Bill Walsh took over the Niners and knew exactly what he wanted to do and how to get there and that was crucial to his success. I do not know how you excuse a coach for not knowing how he wants his team to play.

B. His philosophy ought to go into the decision about who to draft. Go big? Go small and speedy? If you don't know where you are going, how do you know how to get there?

C. I think this shows indecision, confusion, and lack of leadership.
 
zman1527 said:
From today's Trib:

"Utah has potential. But it also has serious issues — highlighted by the fact that Corbin has yet to determine what style of basketball he wants his squad to play."

And he was hired to be HC? No wonder he failed to get any of the jobs he interviewed for. Wouldn't that be one of the first questions for a HC candidate? And migod, how do you go into a draft not knowing that?

Yes, that is a serious issue. To the degree it is a true statement, if I was the owner, I would be looking for a new HC. Now. Immediately. Before the draft. If Corbin has not got that figured out yet, he is not HC material.
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Brilliant! One question, though: If the Trib printed that that zman1527 hasn't yet figured out how to tell the difference between a substantiated fact and a writer's opinion should you be fired? IMO, it's not a bad idea to figure out what talents your personnel has (as well as what personnel you might be able to bring in) and build your system around that rather than committing to an inflexible system no matter who the players happen to be.
 
This is stupid. He came in midseason. Followed up a very long termed nba coach. Then had the AllStar point guard traded from a team that was pretty much gutted from the year before. No practice time to really implement a new system. When exactly was he supposed to put in a system?
 
Assuming he really doesn't know what style he wants to play yet, is that really such a bad thing? Sloan got roasted by some here for always playing the same style and not adapting to the ability of his players. Come on, give the guy a chance. If we go 20-62 next season, then ya, send him packing.
 
I'm glad he doesn't know yet. I LOVED Sloan, but you played Sloan's offense/whether or not the talent fit. The Jazz are in a unique position. We have a SG with PG skills. A PG that shoots first. A black hole PF. Another very athletic PF. And we will potentially add another uptempo PG OR a half court big man OR an athletic SF. Our #3 pick could really change how you would want to run the team. He may or may not have AK or CJ. What about Watson and Price. This is his first year. Let's see what he does with a training camp before we throw him under the bus.
 
zman1527 said:
Bill Walsh took over the Niners and knew exactly what he wanted to do and how to get there and that was crucial to his success. I do not know how you excuse a coach for not knowing how he wants his team to play.
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Great example. Bill Walsh stepped into the 49ers HC spot before the season started, hired his staff, chose his players, and went...8-24 in his first two seasons. I'm sure that had zman1527 been on a 49ers chat board at the time, he would have been bitching about Walsh's lack of direction and how he had no idea what he was doing.

Give Corbin some time. Let him fill out his staff, get some players, and let the dust settle on the most turbulant season this franchise has ever seen.
 
Even Jerry, praise be his name, changed things up over the years. The '89 Jazz stand Eaton at the 3pt to scream "illeagal" while john stood freethrow line esxtended and threw to Karl on the left block offense , was not the same as the '97 Karl high post offense, and it certainly didn't look like the Boozer/Williams "it takes three years to learn our system" offense.

If anything this tips the Jazz hand concerning personnel moves. If Ty knew he was going to have Harris/Jefferson/Milsap and some rookies he could make a plan. But if he is going to have a bunch young players and possible new faces....then it is not disconcerting that he does not yet have a concrete plan.

I think Draft Night could be very interesting. Go KOC!!!
 
I thought he should have run Sloan and Johnson's stuff for the most part for the rest of the season as they were still in the hunt for a playoff spot at the time and like the guy above said there wasn't practice time to implement the "new" system. He could have changed a couple of things but he probably should have stuck with what was in place to try and limp in to the playoffs. You're right 20-62 this year and adios.
 
Between my natural optimism always, Hayward and Favors' respective emergences, a full offseason to be healthy and work together and the lotto picks - normally I'd have us pegged for at least the WCF. But, I thought Corbin was the worst choice we could have made when they made it because of how inexperienced he is. He'll be on a real short leash with me as next season starts, but I really think we need a coach with experience to lead this team of young talent.

The depressing reality is that no matter how bad things may get (I hope they dont), Ty The Turd won't be going anywhere. His initial refusal to play Hayward, then to play him but not down the stretch to relying on him for 40 minutes a game the last week should show how he operates.

Not surprised he has no clue what the next step is.
 
@op: "philosophy" doesn't exactly equal "STYLE". Chill the **** out, man. The dude has to hire a staff and will have two promising rookies to work into his groove. I think it's time to go change your pad.
 
For that matter, "system" is also not "style". It seems to me you can play systems like the Flex (or the Triangle) loosely or tightly, with a run-first or walk-it-up tempo, with emphasis on the post or the wing players, etc. Over the years I have been watching, Sloan changed his philosophy barely (if at all), tweaked his system (sometimes in consecutive years), and changed the style they used regularly.
 
mellow said:
Even Jerry, praise be his name, changed things up over the years. The '89 Jazz stand Eaton at the 3pt to scream "illeagal" while john stood freethrow line esxtended and threw to Karl on the left block offense , was not the same as the '97 Karl high post offense, and it certainly didn't look like the Boozer/Williams "it takes three years to learn our system" offense.

If anything this tips the Jazz hand concerning personnel moves. If Ty knew he was going to have Harris/Jefferson/Milsap and some rookies he could make a plan. But if he is going to have a bunch young players and possible new faces....then it is not disconcerting that he does not yet have a concrete plan.

I think Draft Night could be very interesting. Go KOC!!!
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But to my way of thinking, draft night choices should be governed partly by what kind of basketball you want to play, what you think will be effective in the modern NBA. It sounds like despite playing b-ball for 20 plus years and then being an assistant coach for 7 years, Ty has not figured that out yet. That is not a good thing.
 
zman1527 said:
But to my way of thinking, draft night choices should be governed partly by what kind of basketball you want to play, what you think will be effective in the modern NBA. It sounds like despite playing b-ball for 20 plus years and then being an assistant coach for 7 years, Ty has not figured that out yet. That is not a good thing.
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Not to be trite... but that is the kind of thinking that leads to passing on Michael Jordan to draft (what was that guys name?) Joe Berry Carrol?
 
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