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Corbin: I was afraid of this

YB85 said:
Not when you have the third pick.
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This. You don't fit a high pick to a system. You pick the best damn player you can and fit your system to your team. If Corbin knew right now how this team was going to play then I would be concerned. My biggest problem with Sloan is his insistence on making players adapt to a role they were not able to fill.

Get talented players and find a system that works for them. Don't get inferior players just so they fit your so called system.
 
Whatever system the Jazz put in place, then need a big who can rebound, a guy who can create offense on his own, and a better shooter at the SF.
 
YB85 said:
Great example. Bill Walsh stepped into the 49ers HC spot before the season started, hired his staff, chose his players, and went...8-24 in his first two seasons. I'm sure that had zman1527 been on a 49ers chat board at the time, he would have been bitching about Walsh's lack of direction and how he had no idea what he was doing.

Give Corbin some time. Let him fill out his staff, get some players, and let the dust settle on the most turbulant season this franchise has ever seen.
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YB85 said:
Great example. Bill Walsh stepped into the 49ers HC spot before the season started, hired his staff, chose his players, and went...8-24 in his first two seasons. I'm sure that had zman1527 been on a 49ers chat board at the time, he would have been bitching about Walsh's lack of direction and how he had no idea what he was doing.

Give Corbin some time. Let him fill out his staff, get some players, and let the dust settle on the most turbulant season this franchise has ever seen.
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Thanks for brining this old nugget back up. Demonstrates how lost Corbin has been from the outset.

As to Walsh, I was a fan all during that period and supported him completely. And your stats on his 8-24 are more than a little misleading. They were a basement dweller for a few years when he took over in 1979. They went 2-14 his first year, then 6-10 his second year. Vast improvement in year two. They continued to improve, and in his 3rd year they won the SB.

Is Ty's team showing any improvement? He is in his 4th year now. Does this team look better than they did at the start of the year, after the abomination of having 2 horrid PGs to start the year? They just took their biggest loss of the year. Players openly talking about being frustrated. Is there any good reason to believe that Ty is the real deal at this point?
 
gregbroncs said:
This. You don't fit a high pick to a system. You pick the best damn player you can and fit your system to your team. If Corbin knew right now how this team was going to play then I would be concerned. My biggest problem with Sloan is his insistence on making players adapt to a role they were not able to fill.

Get talented players and find a system that works for them. Don't get inferior players just so they fit your so called system.
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This is such a dumb statement. So, before Memo, how often did Sloan have the C shoot threes? I dream of the glory days and Ostertag draining threes left and right....

How often did Stockton call plays vs Deron?

Lol. The Jazz went out and got the best players they could (Deron, Boozer, Memo), then built an offense around those players.
 
green said:
This is such a dumb statement. So, before Memo, how often did Sloan have the C shoot threes? I dream of the glory days and Ostertag draining threes left and right....

How often did Stockton call plays vs Deron?

Lol. The Jazz went out and got the best players they could (Deron, Boozer, Memo), then built an offense around those players.
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But what you guys are discussing is a far cry from the OP quote :"Utah has potential. But it also has serious issues — highlighted by the fact that Corbin has yet to determine what style of basketball he wants his squad to play."

It says "his squad". He had a team then, he had players, they were a known quantity. But according to the writer, he had no idea how to best use the players he had then. I think this continues to this day. I certainly hope it continues. i hope that Ty is really really holding this team back.
 
green said:
This is such a dumb statement. So, before Memo, how often did Sloan have the C shoot threes? I dream of the glory days and Ostertag draining threes left and right....

How often did Stockton call plays vs Deron?

Lol. The Jazz went out and got the best players they could (Deron, Boozer, Memo), then built an offense around those players.
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Richard Jefferson - 69 games played, 69 games started, 27 mins/per
Marvin Williams - 57 games, 47 starts, 26 mins/per

This season the Jazz (i.e. Corbin) has built a large part of the offense around guys who WON'T (RJ) or aren't likely (MW) returning. Even after RJ's infamous quote about looking to play for a contender, Ty has continued to start RJ and make him a major part of the offense.

OK, FINALLY we've seen Kanter get a couple of starts (outside of when Favors has been hurt or early in the season when Enes apparently was the cause for our losses instead of the worst PG tandem in NBA history). So why not do the same with Burks? Ty, likely because he was a journeyman player himself, believes these veterans deserve minutes so they'll get offered a contract somewhere next season. Ty...if you ever had any chance of retaining your own job, it was by developing the players who WILL be here next season.

And sorry, I don't buy into the philosophy that players develop in practice. They also need game time. They need to play against opposing starters.
 
You guys missed what made his statement so dumb. He said that Sloan never changed his system and that the Jazz bypassed better players for Sloan's "system." And that is a lie. The Jazz obtained the best players they could, and Sloan/Johnson built their system around those players.

His quote had nothing to do with Corbin, and yet you guys keep talking about Corbin.
 
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];787863 said:
Are you ****ing kidding?
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Jazz have excellent rebounding bigs. 3 of them in fact.

They need a netter shooter at SF, no argument.

The Jazz have a guy that can create his own offense, Burks. But another is surely needed.
 
NBA offenses look bad without consistent playmakers. Not sure what everyone is expecting.
 
Stoked said:
Jazz have excellent rebounding bigs. 3 of them in fact.

They need a netter shooter at SF, no argument.

The Jazz have a guy that can create his own offense, Burks. But another is surely needed.
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Burks can't create consistently enough for himself, not to mention his teammates. He's a nice piece, but, yeah...
 
green said:
You guys missed what made his statement so dumb. He said that Sloan never changed his system and that the Jazz bypassed better players for Sloan's "system." And that is a lie. The Jazz obtained the best players they could, and Sloan/Johnson built their system around those players.

His quote had nothing to do with Corbin, and yet you guys keep talking about Corbin.
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Sloan tweaked his system depending on the personnel, but there was never a wholesale change: On offense, it was always P&R as the main staple. On defense, it was always funnel to the inside and force the other team to take outside shots, rarely running players off the 3. Maddening to be stuck in the archaic style of the 80's at times. On the other hand, the efficiency of the offense, when the Jazz were almost always in the top-5 in terms of FG%, made playoff appearances almost guaranteed.

And Sloan had an uncanny knack for getting the most out of unheralded players. He had a ton of "system" guys who never put up the numbers they had in Utah after leaving.
 
green said:
You guys missed what made his statement so dumb. He said that Sloan never changed his system and that the Jazz bypassed better players for Sloan's "system." And that is a lie. The Jazz obtained the best players they could, and Sloan/Johnson built their system around those players.

His quote had nothing to do with Corbin, and yet you guys keep talking about Corbin.
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I think your food has contained a little extra poison recently.
 
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];787871 said:
Burks can't create consistently enough for himself, not to mention his teammates. He's a nice piece, but, yeah...
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That was not what he said. Glad you concede the point on the rebounding bigs.
 
Core4 said:
Richard Jefferson - 69 games played, 69 games started, 27 mins/per
Marvin Williams - 57 games, 47 starts, 26 mins/per

This season the Jazz (i.e. Corbin) has built a large part of the offense around guys who WON'T (RJ) or aren't likely (MW) returning. Even after RJ's infamous quote about looking to play for a contender, Ty has continued to start RJ and make him a major part of the offense.

OK, FINALLY we've seen Kanter get a couple of starts (outside of when Favors has been hurt or early in the season when Enes apparently was the cause for our losses instead of the worst PG tandem in NBA history). So why not do the same with Burks? Ty, likely because he was a journeyman player himself, believes these veterans deserve minutes so they'll get offered a contract somewhere next season. Ty...if you ever had any chance of retaining your own job, it was by developing the players who WILL be here next season.

And sorry, I don't buy into the philosophy that players develop in practice. They also need game time. They need to play against opposing starters.
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I only consider 1 thing about this season a complete fail. And that is the coaching staff.
 
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