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Saint Cy of JFC said:
You can bathe, exercise, and get vaccinated....
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Which is pointless if you’re young and healthy. Outside the US and probably Cananda no country is recommending young healthy people take a Covid shot And more and more of these studies show it. The Australian government was as zealous as any country about mandating vaccines early on but it’s been a couple of years since theyve recommended against it for young healthy people. It beggars belief that young healthy people in the US still think it’s a good idea other than the blanket advertising you see in your media has you brainwashed
 
Douchebag K said:
Which is pointless if you’re young and healthy. Outside the US and probably Cananda no country is recommending young healthy people take a Covid shot And more and more of these studies show it. The Australian government was as zealous as any country about mandating vaccines early on but it’s been a couple of years since theyve recommended against it for young healthy people. It beggars belief that young healthy people in the US still think it’s a good idea other than the blanket advertising you see in your media has you brainwashed
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Eh, its cost zero dollars and my company paid me $100 dollars to get it. I see no reason to turn down $100 dollars for something that may help me.
I had a friend who was in incredible shape (went to the gym 6 days a week) and had no health issues who got covid. He dead now.

Also, I dont know anyone who has gotten the covid shot in the last year
 
Getting covid shots was more about reducing the impact of covid if you get it, not completely preventing you from getting it. I read the Japanese study you linked and I dont think you fully understand what you are reading if you think it supports your anti-covid vaccination views.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Getting covid shots was more about reducing the impact of covid if you get it, not completely preventing you from getting it. I read the Japanese study you linked and I dont think you fully understand what you are reading if you think it supports your anti-covid vaccination views.
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good grief. "anti-vaccination" I don't know how many times i have to reiterate that people with a serious health disorder, elderly and the overweight benefit from Covid shots Which in the US makes up at least 2/3 of the population. You guys really have no depth of understanding the data as a whole and the risk / benefit analysis for various categories of people. The risk of a serious adverse reaction outweighed the possible benefit for healthy younger people.

And quite the revisionist history there, it absolutely wasn't promoted in the first couple of years as merely reducing the impact of Covid for individuals. The campaign was heavily based on getting people jabbed so they wouldn't get it and transmit it.
 
fishonjazz said:
Eh, its cost zero dollars and my company paid me $100 dollars to get it. I see no reason to turn down $100 dollars for something that may help me.
I had a friend who was in incredible shape (went to the gym 6 days a week) and had no health issues who got covid. He dead now.

Also, I dont know anyone who has gotten the covid shot in the last year
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that's very sad and i'm very sorry for your friend. I know two younger athletes who were super healthy didn't want to get it but were forced to for employment reasons and had heart inflammation reactions and now they're ****ed for life because of it.
 
Douchebag K said:
good grief. "anti-vaccination" I don't know how many times i have to reiterate that people with a serious health disorder, elderly and the overweight benefit from Covid shots Which in the US makes up at least 2/3 of the population. You guys really have no depth of understanding the data as a whole and the risk / benefit analysis for various categories of people. The risk of a serious adverse reaction outweighed the possible benefit for healthy younger people.

And quite the revisionist history there, it absolutely wasn't promoted in the first couple of years as merely reducing the impact of Covid for individuals. The campaign was heavily based on getting people jabbed so they wouldn't get it and transmit it.
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It's not revisionist history, it's a fact.
 
Douchebag K said:
lol. No. It was “take this and you won’t get Covid or transmit it”. The “pandemic of the unvaccinated”. For several years. It was then described as something that might help your outcome retrospectively
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It wasnt. I know because when I got it that was the idea and I got it as soon as it was available.
 
Douchebag K said:
good grief. "anti-vaccination" I don't know how many times i have to reiterate that people with a serious health disorder, elderly and the overweight benefit from Covid shots Which in the US makes up at least 2/3 of the population. You guys really have no depth of understanding the data as a whole and the risk / benefit analysis for various categories of people. The risk of a serious adverse reaction outweighed the possible benefit for healthy younger people.

And quite the revisionist history there, it absolutely wasn't promoted in the first couple of years as merely reducing the impact of Covid for individuals. The campaign was heavily based on getting people jabbed so they wouldn't get it and transmit it.
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As I remember as the vaccine was being trialed it WAS preventing infection at a very high rate. But you know, since it wasn't a big deal for young healthy people to get it and so many others thought it was all a big lie to teach us all how to be subservient the disease had the opportunity to mutate several times. The vaccine, based on the earliest version of COVID-19 , was not as effective against the various mutations.

So yeah, when I got the vaccine, which was as soon as I possibly could, my expectation was that it would prevent me from ever getting COVID. Six months later I was getting a booster. A year after that (having not gotten another booster) I got COVID from a selfish bitch who went to work knowing she was sick and I had to work in a small room with her where we were squeezing past each other all day. Then I gave COVID to the rest of my family.

Just before the vaccine came out a person I knew well who was similar in age (mid-40s) and body composition (fat) to me got COVID and died. I am willing to bet that had he gotten a vaccine before exposure he wouldn't have died.
 
Sardines said:
As I remember as the vaccine was being trialed it WAS preventing infection at a very high rate. But you know, since it wasn't a big deal for young healthy people to get it and so many others thought it was all a big lie to teach us all how to be subservient the disease had the opportunity to mutate several times. The vaccine, based on the earliest version of COVID-19 , was not as effective against the various mutations.

So yeah, when I got the vaccine, which was as soon as I possibly could, my expectation was that it would prevent me from ever getting COVID. Six months later I was getting a booster. A year after that (having not gotten another booster) I got COVID from a selfish bitch who went to work knowing she was sick and I had to work in a small room with her where we were squeezing past each other all day. Then I gave COVID to the rest of my family.

Just before the vaccine came out a person I knew well who was similar in age (mid-40s) and body composition (fat) to me got COVID and died. I am willing to bet that had he gotten a vaccine before exposure he wouldn't have died.
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You do realise I’ve always said anyone overweight should get it yeah ??

As for the early trial results I can’t think of a single reason to believe anything Pfizer or most drug companies would say unless tested independently
 
Sardines said:
Yes I do realize that.

You realize that young healthy people can spread COVID to the fat, the elderly and those who cannot be vaccinated for whatever reason?
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and you realize that younger people getting vaccinated didn't stop them getting Covid ?? if anything there's a lot of studies like this one showing the more doses they've had the more likely they are to have it, whatever the factors in such occurances happening. And however small the % there are risks of serious adverse reactions that i don't believe those people should be expected to risk on anyone else's behalf. Behavioural attitudes such as hygeine, and keeping distance particularly while contagious are very reasonable to demand from those people but i see it as immoral to expect somebody else to take a relatively new medication that isn't particularly effective nor fully safe on somebody else's behalf

And seriously giving it to babies, infants, toddlers is insane
 
I have had COVID four times. I did get the vaccine and two boosters. The first three times were basically like a slight cold with more headaches. IIRC, the first time I had it was shortly before the vaccines were available. My wife works at a hospital, and between her working, kids in daycare, school, I feel like I get exposed to a lot of stuff.

At the start of January this year, I came down with COVID again, and it wrecked me. I was bedridden for close to two weeks, I should have gone to the hospital. I am in pretty good shape, play competitive basketball 4-5 times a week and am a healthy weight.

It has been about 4 weeks since I became sick, and I am still feeling it. I feel fine day to day, but I haven't been able to exercise without quickly losing energy and getting weak. I have played ball twice, and both times felt awful the rest of the day.

I know the vaccines were rushed and I knew there was more risk, but I'm glad I had the first 3. On the flip side, my sister developed horrible hives/rashes/pain and issues from the first vaccine which led to early medical retirement from the federal government. She is still suffering side effects. Crazy stuff.
 
Douchebag K said:
and you realize that younger people getting vaccinated didn't stop them getting Covid ?? if anything there's a lot of studies like this one showing the more doses they've had the more likely they are to have it, whatever the factors in such occurances happening. And however small the % there are risks of serious adverse reactions that i don't believe those people should be expected to risk on anyone else's behalf. Behavioural attitudes such as hygeine, and keeping distance particularly while contagious are very reasonable to demand from those people but i see it as immoral to expect somebody else to take a relatively new medication that isn't particularly effective nor fully safe on somebody else's behalf

And seriously giving it to babies, infants, toddlers is insane
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The vaccine had a greater than 0% rate at preventing infection. Hard to prove a negative so I doubt anyone really knows the real world prevention rate, but it was something.
 
Douchebag K said:
lol. No. It was “take this and you won’t get Covid or transmit it”. The “pandemic of the unvaccinated”. For several years. It was then described as something that might help your outcome retrospectively
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The pandemic of the unvaccinated was a term to describe the fact that hospitals were full of people who didn't get the vaccine. Not to describe the fact that people who didn't get the vaccine were the only ones getting covid.
 
Sardines said:
The vaccine had a greater than 0% rate at preventing infection. Hard to prove a negative so I doubt anyone really knows the real world prevention rate, but it was something.
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Some studies show a negative efficacy, so if you had the jab you statistically had more chance of getting Covid and particularly the more boosters you had the more times you got it. Because of more risky behavioural patterns ? Maybe As you said there's no way of knowing because it wasn't tested thoroughly enough. Without dealing in absolutes or at least high likelihoods i can't see it being a reasonable expectation to ask. I see it as much more like the flu vaccine, it'll most likely help those more vulnerable and should be distributed accordingly. People who contract the flu also behave inappropriately and can recklessly spread it around to the more vulnerable if they are careless and people die from that as well.

One of the good things i've found from the Covid experience is that it's now far more acceptable to demand accountability from people who are sick to not run around coughing all over others
 
fishonjazz said:
The pandemic of the unvaccinated was a term to describe the fact that hospitals were full of people who didn't get the vaccine. Not to describe the fact that people who didn't get the vaccine were the only ones getting covid.
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Not here and in many other countries it wasn't It was very specifically about the catching and spread of Covid
 
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