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Ron Mexico said:
Corporate greed and insurance companies to start with.

China was pretty much the poorest country in the world into the 80s when 90% of their country in extreme poverty. Now that number is less than 1%. A big chunk of that was moving away from communism but still. USA is trending the opposite way since then. GDP keeps growing in the USA but quality of life is declining for the middle and lower classes.
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I am not sure we are seeing a true decrease in quality of life, although it is definitely on an "increasing at a decreasing rate" kind of curve. Increasing, concave down.

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LogGrad98 said:
And a nice tea with some powdered animal penises and horns (yes, the upper and lower horns) never hurts.
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Oddly the traditional Chinese medicine hospitals give you so much better attention, ask more questions, seem to care more, and offer you a choice of western or Chinese medicine. I usually just take both, because why not. The tea tastes pretty bitter and usually not great. Plus it makes me sweat. Some of it seems to work, who knows. Oh, they also always tell you to stop drinking alcohol, stop eating spicy food, and drink hot water until you're better.
 
Are the CDC more corrupt or stupid ?? Or both. Voting to add Covid vaccine injections to the childhood immunization scheme while so many other countries around the world are recommending against using these en mass for children. I guess there's too much money in it for big Pharma in the states eh.
 
One Brow said:
I know you don't think of yourself as an anti-vaxxer, but you really should stop and think before repeating their talking points.
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You can shove that phrase up your clacker pal, you should really start thinking critically about this particular "vaccine" It beggars belief that this thing is being put on the standard immunisation schedule given the issues with efficacy, safety, lack of proper extensive testing and the actual risk to young healthy children now posed by Covid. Countries all throughout Europe and elsewhere are clearly recommending against this for children. Those countries aren't crippled by authorities who have a conflict of interest with respect to links to the pharmaceutical industry. That you of all people are happy to gloss over this is staggering.
 
One Brow said:
I know you don't think of yourself as an anti-vaxxer, but you really should stop and think before repeating their talking points.
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I don’t get it. Why shouldn’t children be vaccinated against Covid? We’ve had childhood vaccination for years and Covid is far more infectious than many of the viruses we currently vaccinate children for. Shouldn’t we want children to get sick less and miss less time at school?
 
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Douchebag K said:
You can shove that phrase up your clacker pal, you should really start thinking critically about this particular "vaccine" It beggars belief that this thing is being put on the standard immunisation schedule given the issues with efficacy, safety, lack of proper extensive testing and the actual risk to young healthy children now posed by Covid. Countries all throughout Europe and elsewhere are clearly recommending against this for children. Those countries aren't crippled by authorities who have a conflict of interest with respect to links to the pharmaceutical industry. That you of all people are happy to gloss over this is staggering.
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Spoken like an anti-vaxxer. You can shove that phrase right back up your own, uh, clacker.
 
Douchebag K said:
Duly noted that you haven't argued with any point i made but merely answered with a childish retort. Your level of ignorance on this topic is astounding
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Yes, very astounding. On the other hand, your knowledge is... well, it is not impressive in the least. Dangerous vaccines, amiright?

Just a personal note on this, not an official opinion, GFYS.
 
Gameface said:
Yes, very astounding. On the other hand, your knowledge is... well, it is not impressive in the least. Dangerous vaccines, amiright?

Just a personal note on this, not an official opinion, GFYS.
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If you weren't so blinded by your narrative you'd easily understand there are massive problems with the conduct of the Pfizer company and the gulf between it's initial claims about their vaccine and the facts emerging about what it did or didn't test for or results released publicly, or actual results of their product. Just the last few weeks it's been shown their anti-viral Covid drug doesn't outperform placebo. They're one of the most corrupt morally reprehensible companies around. You're ok with the fact it now admits it never tested whether the vaccine stopped transmission ??? And continue to keep hidden many of their finanacial details in regards to arrangements with various governments Dangerous ? There are clearly known serious risks even though they are small in number let alone so many unknowns short, medium or long term due to lack of testing. And no i'm not in the "it's gonna kill everyone camp" so shove your "oooh antivaxxer" garbage up your fat ***. So intellectually lazy. It is clearly understood Covid represents little serious risk to young healthy children. Yet you refuse to address these facts. It's kindof bizarre people who pride themselves on being progressive and forward thinking can't assess risk / reward in this scenario and merely try to maintain some weird kind of moral stance on the issue.

not only are you wilfully ignorant you're being an intellectual coward who deliberately misrepresents what others say, and by your own admission don't really care about the facts more about justifying your own preconceived stance And then you refuse to consider anyone else's thoughts and just go for memes and insults. You're better than that. At least i thought you were. Maybe you're not
 
Douchebag K said:
If you weren't so blinded by your narrative you'd easily understand there are massive problems with the conduct of the Pfizer company and the gulf between it's initial claims about their vaccine and the facts emerging about what it did or didn't test for or results released publicly, or actual results of their product. Just the last few weeks it's been shown their anti-viral Covid drug doesn't outperform placebo. They're one of the most corrupt morally reprehensible companies around. You're ok with the fact it now admits it never tested whether the vaccine stopped transmission ??? And continue to keep hidden many of their finanacial details in regards to arrangements with various governments Dangerous ? There are clearly known serious risks even though they are small in number let alone so many unknowns short, medium or long term due to lack of testing. And no i'm not in the "it's gonna kill everyone camp" so shove your "oooh antivaxxer" garbage up your fat ***. So intellectually lazy. It is clearly understood Covid represents little serious risk to young healthy children. Yet you refuse to address these facts. It's kindof bizarre people who pride themselves on being progressive and forward thinking can't assess risk / reward in this scenario and merely try to maintain some weird kind of moral stance on the issue.

not only are you wilfully ignorant you're being an intellectual coward who deliberately misrepresents what others say, and by your own admission don't really care about the facts more about justifying your own preconceived stance And then you refuse to consider anyone else's thoughts and just go for memes and insults. You're better than that. At least i thought you were. Maybe you're not
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Red said:
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At this point, I don’t think these folks are going to be convinced by facts, policies, or science. It’s part of their identity now. Much like politics, they’re bored with regular science and want to be known as “anti-establishment.” I’ve reviewed the last several pages recently to understand why anyone would be anti vax for children given how infectious Covid is, and I’ve seen that the same folks who were anti vax months and months ago remain so no matter what the data says.

Just like politics, Identity, feelings, and the need to be entertained by not being “suckered by the establishment” > facts, evidence, and plain good policy influenced by experts and expertise.
 
Red said:

View: https://twitter.com/tmprowell/status/1583251305316745216
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Red, what you are doing here is wrong. You are fear mongering by peddling this misleading propaganda. That story has NOTHING to do with COVID. For all those only reading the tweet or the headline, this is what Red's propaganda piece is really about: "the surge in children's respiratory illnesses, including rhinovirus and enterovirus, continues across the country, one children's hospital is considering installing a field tent to deal with the influx of patients. ... Yale New Haven Children's Hospital, said overall RSV cases seen in the emergency department jumped from 57 last week to 106 currently."

RSV is Respiratory Syncytial Virus. It is the common cold. Rhinovirus and enterovirus are the common cold. As winter approaches, the number of kids coming down with common colds is increasing. That is what this story is about. This is as normal as normal gets, and Red is using this return to normal to push reestablishment of COVID protocols including the reimposition of masking kids in school.

Cold and flu season is a normal thing, and not necessarily a bad thing. From the scientific paper Red linked above: "older children and adults have protective immunity to established viruses because of prior exposures". This season is part of how humans develop their immune system. The return of normal is not a signal that we need to frighten people into reestablishing COVID protocols.
 
Douchebag K said:
You can shove that phrase up your clacker pal, you should really start thinking critically about this particular "vaccine"
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I agree we should think critically about this vaccine. That doesn't excuse you repeating antivax talking points. Your anger-induced rebuttal doesn't excuse it, either.

Douchebag K said:
It beggars belief that this thing is being put on the standard immunisation schedule given the issues with efficacy, safety, lack of proper extensive testing and the actual risk to young healthy children now posed by Covid.
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I've asked you to compare the risk profiles of unvaccinated children versus vaccinated children before, and you have so far demurred. Do you have the data to back up this opinion? If not, how is your thinking "critical"?

Douchebag K said:
Countries all throughout Europe and elsewhere are clearly recommending against this for children.
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EMA recommends approval of Comirnaty and Spikevax COVID-19 vaccines for children from 6 months age - European Medicines Agency

EMA recommends approval of Comirnaty and Spikevax COVID-19 vaccines for children from 6 months age
www.ema.europa.eu www.ema.europa.eu

That page (the very first in the Google feed) says otherwise. What's your source for your claim?

Douchebag K said:
That you of all people are happy to gloss over this is staggering.
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I agree there are issues with money in medicine. That doesn't mean every CDC recommendation is primarily about industry profit.
 
The Thriller said:
I don’t get it. Why shouldn’t children be vaccinated against Covid?
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Covid19 vaccinations do increase the risk of myocarditis in young people, especially young men/boys. Given the lower incidence of covid19 among young people, it's a legitimate question as to whether it is riskier to give them a covid19 injection or to not do so. I have not seen statistics that not giving the injection is less risky.

I do not consider @Douchebag K to be antivax (he says he supports the current vaccine schedule otherwise), and this is a legitimate question he's raising. I am disappointed that he went with the pharma-profit gambit instead of bringing the evidence.

The Thriller said:
Shouldn’t we want children to get sick less and miss less time at school?
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Everything should be weighed in terms of less overall risk for the child in question.
 
One Brow said:
Covid19 vaccinations do increase the risk of myocarditis in young people, especially young men/boys. Given the lower incidence of covid19 among young people, it's a legitimate question as to whether it is riskier to give them a covid19 injection or to not do so. I have not seen statistics that not giving the injection is less risky.

I do not consider @Douchebag K to be antivax (he says he supports the current vaccine schedule otherwise), and this is a legitimate question he's raising. I am disappointed that he went with the pharma-profit gambit instead of bringing the evidence.


Everything should be weighed in terms of less overall risk for the child in question.
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According to the CDC, aren’t the risks for young people to get vaccinated lower than the risks of getting sick?

Again, I don’t understand the issue here. Every vaccine has the possibility of side effects. But don’t statistics show that the risk of side effects are significantly lower than the risks of the actual illness? Let’s let data and not our emotions guide policy decisions.
 
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