Cougars 2011-12 Football Discussion
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Duck Rodgers
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No.
7StraightIsGreat
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YB, the fans didn't but the entire team spilled out onto the field in celebration after time expired, Bronco was drenched with gatorade, and I read an article the next morning about how he had to fight back tears during his press conference.
It's amazing how far the bar has been lowered in Provo. Seriously.
It's amazing how far the bar has been lowered in Provo. Seriously.
fatchipper
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This is pitiful.
CONAN
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But not surprising.
7StraightIsGreat
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People will think I'm taking shots at BYU but I would think that BYU fans would feel the same way, if not more so. Wasn't LES the place that used to claim huge victims such as the Miami Hurricanes, Penn State Nittany Lions, and Washington Huskies (just to name a few)?
And now your team is struggling to beat UCF at home and then celebrating it as if they just capped an undefeated season? Your coach is fighting back tears in the press conference? He gets a bucket of gatorade dumped on him after a week 4 win against a Conference USA team? Your QB can't complete 50% of his passes, he once again threw more INT's than TD's and your team lost the yardage battle by a wide margin and this is considered a step in the right direction?
Growing up in the 80's and seeing the dominance of the Lavell era first hand, I'm completely and totally shocked at how complacement this team and it's fans are. However, I also find it extremely hilarious and satisfying.
And now your team is struggling to beat UCF at home and then celebrating it as if they just capped an undefeated season? Your coach is fighting back tears in the press conference? He gets a bucket of gatorade dumped on him after a week 4 win against a Conference USA team? Your QB can't complete 50% of his passes, he once again threw more INT's than TD's and your team lost the yardage battle by a wide margin and this is considered a step in the right direction?
Growing up in the 80's and seeing the dominance of the Lavell era first hand, I'm completely and totally shocked at how complacement this team and it's fans are. However, I also find it extremely hilarious and satisfying.
The Thriller
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your dumbass zoobie fans are satisfied.
But fans that know anything about football are embarrassed about the gatorade shower (if it really did happen. I didn't even see the game, had to work). the tears, the mushy nonsense, and all the excuses.
This team is talented... The offense was supposed to be prolific. Heaps was supposed to be great.
Thus far? This team has underachieved and this offense is making Kirk Snyder look like a success.
CONAN
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Ya weird.
I agree. It's embarrassing. It sure looked like Bronco could have been LaVell reincarnated there for a while. Now, I'm worrying it's Crowton part II.
7StraightIsGreat
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If it is Gary Crowton Part Deaux, who's waiting in the wings that would fit the criteria of a BYU hire? Can Andy Reid be lured away from the NFL?
The Thriller
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Three words
Michael Calvin Leach
Of course, zoobie ultra-conservatives probably are afraid of Leach's temper and potential to have some serious clashes with the honor code. And for all we know, Leach is waiting for a big time job to open up (isn't he basically just living off his Tech contract right now?).
But if Mike Leach is available and interested, he'd be my #1 choice before Andy Reid or anyone else...
7StraightIsGreat
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Is Leach LDS? That's interesting if he is, I've never heard that. IMO that would be a slam-dunk for BYU. I realize he may not as rooted in the honor code and the school's overall mission as much as Bronco is, but lets be honest: From the stories that are out there, Lavell wasn't exactly the stickler that Bronco is and he got a freakin' stadium named after him.
IMO Leach would be a better recruiter and obviously BYU would play a pretty exciting brand of ball. I hope it doesn't happen!
The Thriller
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I'm almost sure he's a baptized member....
But I'm also pretty sure he isn't active...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Leach_(coach)
Just this past week 1280 the Zone interviewed Leach. He's still very much a fan of BYU and is upset with the way Doman has crapped this offense. Leach was brutally honest and said that there was "no excuse" for this offense with soooooooooo many returning starters and talent to struggle so much.
I've always loved Leach. And more coaches should be able to stuff pompous lazy *** sons into garages. Craig James is a BCS a-hole. His son was supposedly a complete jerkoff to everyone. Of course, no one wanted to mess with him, since his dad could easily blast you from his ESPN throne. Annndd... that's what happened.
Leach is still one of the best coaches in college, period. Dude might be a little rough around the edges, but most of the good ones are. Urban, Sabin, Leach, Kelley, etc aren't exactly guys I'd "love" to invite to a BBQ. Guys like the mad Hatter and Pete Carrol are exceptions.
I doubt BYU would go with an inactive member to man their HC position. But at the same time, I'm not convinced that a strong member needs to be the HC either!
I think it largely depends on how desperate the AD and President become. If Bronco and Doman really do suck, I wouldn't be surprised to see BYU hire someone a little less preachy and a little more football ***-kicking savvy.
There's a lot of money to be made in college Football. I'm sure BYU doesn't want to be left in the dust...
The Thriller
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Of course, I think today's social media makes it much harder for things to be swept under the rug... But...
Desperation and money can lead people into taking some pretty interesting choices. We'll see how this whole "independence" thing works out. Like I said, there's a ton of money to be made... A lot of exposure to be made... BYU left the MWC to make $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ in football and give themselves much more exposure.
The product that Bronco and Doman have produced thus far, hasn't been what was expected. Make no mistake, these two clowns are under a tremendous amount of pressure. They cannot have another season like this one. I think the leash is already being pulled... This game against Utah St. is a big one... If utah St. blows BYU out in Provo, you'll hear rumblings... I'd guess Webber and Lance Reynolds... Doman too... They still have a game against TCU (which should be another loss) and a tough matchup in Hawaii....
I personally wouldn't be surprised to see a coach or two gone at the end of the year if things don't improve drastically... Lance could "retire" because he's been there for so long (and be used as a martyr to save face... Webber could be in trouble too)....
I don't have any inside info on this issue. But I think everyone, including Utah fans, would expect a few coaches to be fired if BYU finishes this season losing to Utah St, TCU, and Hawaii while the offense continues to struggle.
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I don't know whether or not Leach is active, but there's a zero chance that BYU hires an inactive member to be the HC. There's a far greater chance that BYU would hire a non-LDS coach (and that chance is pretty darn small as long as there are potential LDS people to hire out there). Heck, an inactive member can't even be hired as a regular faculty member, and the HC position is certainly a lot more visible than a regular faculty hire. To be hired by BYU into a faculty position these days, if you are LDS you must have a temple recommend, or at least be "temple recommend worthy" if there's some quirk of fate that prevents you from actually having a current recommend.
fatchipper
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Leach would be a great hire for BYU, but I've also heard rumors that he's Arizona's top choice if Mike Stoops looks elsewhere next summer.
Personally, I don't care whether the HC is an active member or not. I don't even care if he's a member. IMO, the Head Coach of the football program should be the Head Coach of the football program, not an extension of the kids' Bishop. I do think they should enforce the Honor Code and be a good representation of the Church and University, but they don't need to be a mission president type though either. I think LaVell did an excellent job of that.
Looks elsewhere?
Yeah, didn't you know that wandering in an abyss is better than the BCS? The Utes are fools, FOOLS I tell you.