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Could a bad deal mean an end to the Jazz in Utah?

I'm convinced the Jazz are solid and fine in Utah, unless this sort of thinking catches ahold of the paranoid back space in the Jazz's psyche for whatever reason... and becomes a sort of self-fufilling prophecy
 
I read the article and there is much talk about why they sould sell, as to why they wouldnt. Forbes states they are the 16th most valuable franchise. Out of 30 teams, 52% of them are more valuable. That 52% shouldnt be any more concerned about there team ending up somewhere else as the Jazz fans should be. The possibility has always been there for any team, but because of a lockout, they need anything to talk about for headlines, just so they have something to talk about. The Media will stir it up with any chance they get.
 
I just don't believe that the Millers lost 16 mil or whatever on the Jazz last season. You have to consider all the advertising the Jazz provide there other companies for free, fanz stores, ect. Also consider that the Jazz are the ones that had multiple chances to trade AK and didn't. His salary last year? 17 Mil?
 
Of course a bad deal could mean the end. The Jazz and other small market owners are clear about that which is why Stern is playing hard ball. LeBron started a movement of all-stars congregating that makes a lot of team irrelevant in the long run unless a new cba is put in place.
 
GoJazz said:
I just don't believe that the Millers lost 16 mil or whatever on the Jazz last season. You have to consider all the advertising the Jazz provide there other companies for free, fanz stores, ect. Also consider that the Jazz are the ones that had multiple chances to trade AK and didn't. His salary last year? 17 Mil?
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Great point. They can legally show the cost of all of this but everything is done form the same pocket book.
 
To be truthful, I was happy the NBAPA turned down the owners latest offer, as the owners were backing off their earlier hard cap on team salaries, which helps small markets stay competitive more than any other single factor. I expect the next offer to include a hard cap. The players had their chance to maintain a soft cap, but their leadership prefered to put their trust in a bunch of agents and lawyers instead of the men who've been paying them their over-inflated paychecks all these years. Big mistake; pity really. Hopefully the majority of players will learn something from this...
 
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Lots of talk re Jazz possibly being sold due to DesNews article 2 steal a clean phrase frm Lee Corso "Not so fast" Writing more coming soon

I am excited to see this article. Should clear a lot of things up.
 
Story doesn't suprise me, there were reports and rumours last year about the Jazz losing money, but the timing is interesting. My spider senses are tingling, why this story now? The Utah public clearly support the NBA side of the NBA vs NBAPU argument, no need to make people feel bad for LHM Inc.

Also, why this story with an unnamed source now, when Greg and the Jazz are restricted in thier ability to comment on finances and CBA? The Jazz have been very quiet in the CBA fight, even though they are a small market team, they are never mentioned as being part of and definently not mentioned as a leader of the hardline owners.

There are only three possible explanations:

1- The Jazz leaked the story in hopes of drumming up sympathy support of LHM Inc businesses heading into the holiday shopping season.

2- The NBAPU lawyers, agents and bone-heads have decided to go on a media offensive against the owners. (it would be a dumb move but so has every move they have made so far)

3- Feeling the pressure from media scrutinity and calls to resign, Mayor Mike Winder has orchestrated this 'source' to divert attention away from himself.
 
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Well, I have my doubts that the Jazz haven't been profitable. If they were losing money then why give guys like AK, Memo's extension. I do not disagree about the disparity in TV money but how is this a player problem. The league should have TV shared between teams. Oh yea the owners do not want to share their TV money with small markets.

As far as the Jazz losing their team, it can happen to any team not in a big city like LA, Chicago or NY but most other teams are at risk.
 
GoJazz said:
I just don't believe that the Millers lost 16 mil or whatever on the Jazz last season. You have to consider all the advertising the Jazz provide there other companies for free, fanz stores, ect. Also consider that the Jazz are the ones that had multiple chances to trade AK and didn't. His salary last year? 17 Mil?
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Unless we made a trade with a team under the cap we would have had to take back roughly 17 million in salary. Any team that would have traded for him would have wanted to dump a bad salary on us as well.
 
This article is stupid. It provides no new information, but just puts a twist on things to make it seem like it's not out of the realm of possibility that the Jazz could be sold. Unless things get really, really ugly then there is no way the Millers sell. Owning the Jazz gives them so much goodwill that consumers are much more inclined to buy cars from them, attend their movie theaters, etc. Brian Smith (who's opinion I trust a lot more than Jody's) reported a month or two ago that the Jazz are in a better financial position than almost any other small market team.

And even if things got so dire they had to sell, I can guarantee you that they would not let 'em be relocated.
 
margodydek said:
This article is stupid. It provides no new information, but just puts a twist on things to make it seem like it's not out of the realm of possibility that the Jazz could be sold. Unless things get really, really ugly then there is no way the Millers sell. Owning the Jazz gives them so much goodwill that consumers are much more inclined to buy cars from them, attend their movie theaters, etc. Brian Smith (who's opinion I trust a lot more than Jody's) reported a month or two ago that the Jazz are in a better financial position than almost any other small market team.

And even if things got so dire they had to sell, I can guarantee you that they would not let 'em be relocated.
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I get the feeling Greg Miller's only reason for not selling the Jazz is because he knows how much it meant to his father.
 
I've known this for a few months. My home teacher told me this one night while at my house.
 
Mom's still alive too. Besides, whenever the drama ends they have almost guaranteed sales on tickets just because of all the new blood. I'm broke as **** and I'd go to a game or two if I was in the area.
 
1) I have a tough time believing the Jazz have actually lost money in any year in the last 25. I seem to remember KOC or Greg saying that the Jazz netted >$100 million in revenue last year. That, and that the scope of 'gains' or 'losses' is so wide it's almost funny.
2) If the Jazz have lost money, they've only been losing it in the last two years (and especially with respect to last year where they had their second losing season in 20-something years and paying their highest payroll ever). Management matters. They had four years to get rid of AK (and they could've found a way), they didn't have to give Harpring four years, they didn't have to extend Memo.
3) The owners have already won unless the players suits destroy the NBA.

However, there is one huge factor to be concerned about: Greg Miller is a huge ****ing turd.
 
cowhide said:
Well, I have my doubts that the Jazz haven't been profitable. If they were losing money then why give guys like AK, Memo's extension. I do not disagree about the disparity in TV money but how is this a player problem. The league should have TV shared between teams. Oh yea the owners do not want to share their TV money with small markets.

As far as the Jazz losing their team, it can happen to any team not in a big city like LA, Chicago or NY but most other teams are at risk.
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Exactly. Had the finances been that bad, they wouldn't have extended Memo, Millsap would be in Portland and KOC would not have used the trade exception to get Jefferson. I agree with NCJazz about AK; his value is not at $17M; plus, the decision to keep him was on Larry H, not Greg. However, Deron's value DOES match his contract. Williams could have been traded to a different team that had available cap space and there would have not been a need to take back a high-priced Harris (or not take back as much in salaries).

Millers are clearly looking for sympathy. And it also could be a PR campaign by the NBA owners to start floating these rumors and stories around. IMO, what was once an avalanche of support for the owners has started to weaken. I've seen a lot of posts on ESPN, CBS, etc. saying that since the players have come down from 57% to 53%, owners need to accept the concessions and just settle. Time for the owners to "prove" this isn't enough. And to regain popular support in case the entire season is cancelled or the NBA decides to do what the NFL did years ago: start using replacement players to break the union's (I mean trade association's) back.
 
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