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Could/will the united states split up?

Agreed, but then again it's like a European telling us how we should do things.

How bad *** would it be if we could actually change something like this in this day and age?

Wyoming has two senators, just like CA. Splitting states will dilute the power of desolate wasteland states and fortyacre states with two million people.

I might go for making four states out of CA if I could spin off one for Bishop by itself.
 
We only seem more divided because more people than ever have a means to express their viewpoints. I am sure a select few would not mind sending gay folks back to the closet, blacks back to the rear of the bus, and women back to the kitchen and laundry rooms.

We can than shut down the internet and talk radio, and tune in at 6pm every night so Walker Cronkite can tell us what to think parroting in visual form what white males running the local newspapers told us to think with delivery of the morning edition.

Be careful what you wish for...
 
We only seem more divided because more people than ever have a means to express their viewpoints. I am sure a select few would not mind sending gay folks back to the closet, blacks back to the rear of the bus, and women back to the kitchen and laundry rooms.

We can than shut down the internet and talk radio, and tune in at 6pm every night so Walker Cronkite can tell us what to think parroting in visual form what white males running the local newspapers told us to think with delivery of the morning edition.

Be careful what you wish for...

but still the laws and cultures as a whole differ from state to state.
as unamerican as chicago and new york are. compared to american symbol texas.

seems certain cities are holding back others.

leeching on eachother.

why should certain states pay texas so other can leech?
 
but still the laws and cultures as a whole differ from state to state.
as unamerican as chicago and new york are. compared to american symbol texas.

seems certain cities are holding back others.

leeching on eachother.

why should certain states pay texas so other can leech?

I like how you act like you know jack **** about the U.S. when you don't.

Oh wait, no I don't.
 
We only seem more divided because more people than ever have a means to express their viewpoints. I am sure a select few would not mind sending gay folks back to the closet, blacks back to the rear of the bus, and women back to the kitchen and laundry rooms.

We can than shut down the internet and talk radio, and tune in at 6pm every night so Walker Cronkite can tell us what to think parroting in visual form what white males running the local newspapers told us to think with delivery of the morning edition.

Be careful what you wish for...

Amazing how informative clichés can be.

Real Life is different, it confuses everything. The real "select few" are the intellectual elites who know best how we ought to be, you know, those progressive liberals who jet set around the world attending UN confabs:

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The current agenda 21:

get the blacks back into the fields, the Chinese back into the laundry rooms, the rednecks to back of the bus, the Christians back into the closet, women on the couch watching daytime soaps, Oprah, and Judge Judy.

shut down politically unacceptable opinions everywhere, capture the internet into a data base for identifying speech criminals, and targeting re-education candidates.

In the olden days, thought police had to work off minimal evidence and were limited to charges of treason. Now we have a complete range of services, with virtually unlimited evidence available, and we still have the political equivalents of the church lady concerned about noncompliants everywhere, on every issue

The goal of Agenda 21 is to create local communities worldwide abiding by good principles, involved in acceptable activities, thinking all the right things, working for the right people, living on sustainable, near-zero resources with rationed medical care, and keeping out of the King's Forest..

Hell yeah, parroting talking heads on the nightly news who all read the same scripts and smile the same way, dressed in the same suits, on the same TV production sets, what the very very rich want us to say or read.

Be careful what you do, think, say, eat, or tolerate. Politically acceptable behavior is now defined globally, and everything you do is collected in the database for law enforcement. It's not just hope or change, it's sustainable management.
 
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that no the US will not break up internally into various different countries. We will be wiped out by a giant meteor strike.
 
Limiting myself to a two country divide id say the west coast (including Nevada, Great Lakes and New England as one country. Then the Rocky mountain states, plains and south down thru Florida.

But if I had to bet Id say a split would be very bloody IMO and varies foreign players (Mexico and China for example) would get involved and Id say it results in a half dozen new countries.
 
Limiting myself to a two country divide id say the west coast (including Nevada, Great Lakes and New England as one country. Then the Rocky mountain states, plains and south down thru Florida.

But if I had to bet Id say a split would be very bloody IMO and varies foreign players (Mexico and China for example) would get involved and Id say it results in a half dozen new countries.

Old "LDS" fringers talk about a "White Horse Prophecy". Damned if it didn't prophecy the US wasting it's strength on useless foreign wars, then falling in an internal civil conflict where everybody was fighting everybody else for a thousand different reasons, while the Mexicans and Chinese began occupying the southwest and west coast, respectively. And the Constitution "hanging by a thread".

That was supposed to be the time when folks who don't want to be fighting their neighbors would come to the Rockies and Great Basin, and where the "Elders of Israel" were supposed to form up into a patriot force for re-establishing American constitutional principles of government.

Somehow, I don't think Orrin Hatch or Mitt Romney will be on that team. Probably, the whole CFR/NWO scheme will be completely sacked.

But the end result will be a greater American nation. I think we will extend constitutional principles and human rights to other parts of the world, maybe with the guidance of some intervening leader on the level of a Jesus, or something.
 
Old "LDS" fringers talk about a "White Horse Prophecy". Damned if it didn't prophecy the US wasting it's strength on useless foreign wars, then falling in an internal civil conflict where everybody was fighting everybody else for a thousand different reasons, while the Mexicans and Chinese began occupying the southwest and west coast, respectively. And the Constitution "hanging by a thread".

That was supposed to be the time when folks who don't want to be fighting their neighbors would come to the Rockies and Great Basin, and where the "Elders of Israel" were supposed to form up into a patriot force for re-establishing American constitutional principles of government.

Somehow, I don't think Orrin Hatch or Mitt Romney will be on that team. Probably, the whole CFR/NWO scheme will be completely sacked.

But the end result will be a greater American nation. I think we will extend constitutional principles and human rights to other parts of the world, maybe with the guidance of some intervening leader on the level of a Jesus, or something.

It's really happening! I'm so excited!
 
I don't think so it will split up because we still have a good system in our country to stop these kinds of problems. So do not try to think like this.
 
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It's really happening! I'm so excited!

Don't lie, or mock. There is no navy, Air Force, or nuke in the old lore here.

What is interesting is how people in the 1800s or the Bible times speculate the same way we do, sometimes.

Lots of easy prophecies of doom and gloom. . . . And glory. . . . .you could hardly go wrong any which way you predict.

Because of course of the kind of generalizations we use. And then of course our whole will to make things happen, too.
 
Don't lie, or mock. There is no navy, Air Force, or nuke in the old lore here.

What is interesting is how people in the 1800s or the Bible times speculate the same way we do, sometimes.

Lots of easy prophecies of doom and gloom. . . . And glory. . . . .you could hardly go wrong any which way you predict.

Because of course of the kind of generalizations we use. And then of course our whole will to make things happen, too.

Okay. I apologize.
 
I'm pretty sure America's constitution was formed with the heavy influence of European notions.
i know you dont like to engage me. but gotta point out you are wrong.
constitution was away from tyrany. europe is tyranical. they call it monarch and such but same thing.
constitution was moving away from the europe pease of crap.


for example 1st amendment,. freedom speech, religion and press.

dont know if you know but for example in the Netherlands it is illegal to talk bad about the tyrants. of course lately this law is being ignored. called Lèse-majesté.
yes of course they now ignore the law cus enforcing it will bring down a ****storm in the 21st century.

2nd amendment.
bearing arms yada yada.
this is to prevent the European tyranny. so again your wrong on this one.

3rd amendment.
Places restrictions on the quartering of soldiers in private homes without the owner's consent, prohibiting it during peacetime.
again speaks for it. dont know if you know the history of monarchys etc. but this is also against european notions(at that time), now most european countries have also adopted something like 3rd amendment.

4th amendment.
Prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures and sets out requirements for search warrants based on probable cause as determined by a neutral judge or magistrate.
again somehting monarchs where famous for doing.

5th amendment.
Sets out rules for indictment by grand jury and eminent domain, protects the right to due process, and prohibits self-incrimination and double jeopardy.
again dont know if u know but at that time. monarchies where doing the exact oposite of this ****.

6th amendment
Protects the right to a fair and speedy public trial by jury, including the rights to be notified of the accusations, to confront the accuser, to obtain witnesses and to retain counsel.
see above

7th amendment
Provides for the right to trial by jury in certain civil cases, according to common law.
trial by jury? not a thing of european notions at that time.

8th amendment
Prohibits excessive fines and excessive bail, as well as cruel and unusual punishment.
need i go into this one.


i can do this for all amendments.


now europe has adopted these notions.
but at the time the constitution was not formed with heavy influence from europe.
yes heavy influence to not be like europe(unless you mean influenced to not be like Europe, then forget i ever posted this)

dont worry i know yu will ignore and wont reply.
just wanted to point out you are WRONG! about the constitution and its amendments
 
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I believe Texas is the only state that can legally succeed from the Union.

I hate your screen name, I think it is inciting and shame worthy.

I believe your statement is partially correct. I know utah's constitution expressly states that "The State of Utah is an inseparable part of the Federal Union and the. Constitution of the United States is the supreme law of the land. "

I believe the original arrangement made it possible for the thirteen colonies to succeed, but it is possible they later gave up that right.
 
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